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Old 12-23-2006, 02:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi all! I am having a hard time this year with the whole "meaning of Christmas" and how it is slowly being destroyed over the years. It may have a little to do with my little miracle that we now have and thinking about how Christmas will be for her years down the road.

I know in my heart that is not my place to judge.. I also know in my heart that it is each of our responsabilities to preach the word of the lord and the true meaning of Christmas so that it doesn't disintigrate farther than it has already. However, I have a hard time hearing from people that they don't believe in god, or saints and what not.. yet they still celebrate Christmas.

Christmas is a time for remembering our lord jesus christ and celebrating with our loved ones what he meant to us. In our family we attend many mass's as it is so much fun and spirit filled that I just can't get enough this time of year! We do exchange gifts.. but on the sence of needed items.. like Saint Nick originally did (Gifts from Santa to our daughter will be a savings bond for college, and a learning toy to help her develop) ok.. and mommy and daddy splurge and spoil her a tad bit! My husband I don't exchange gifts, we donate something to someone less fortunate or donate our time to a non profit needy organization in each others name.

Back to my issue: How can someone celebrate CHRISTmass and not believe in jesus? It just bothers me so deeply that they use this very special holiday (Easter being more important in our family but..) for what I see as selfish reasons.. If they do want to celebrate love and family this time of year.. thats great.. but why do they still have to consider it Christmas??

Am I the only one here that is dealing with tormant about this? I have prayed that I could feel less bothersome about this as it only matters what I think, believe and teach my child.. but it's sooo hard.

Any advice or thoughts are greatly appreciated!
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Christmas is a time for remembering our lord jesus christ and celebrating with our loved ones what he meant to us.
To you.

My advice? Judge less, respect more. It shouldn't matter to you what other people believe. Believe what you want and teach your child what you believe.

I'm shocked that you would say that other people are selfish because they don't believe the same thing you do. That's just sad.

Spin-off threads are usually just asking for trouble...what specifically do you want people to say to you?
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I did not say that people who do not believe what I do are selfish.. in my heart I believe that people that are taking Christmas to something other than a Christian holiday to celebrate Jesus is wrong. How did you get that I called what others believe selfish?
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Are you serious? Wow.
Maybe because you did say it?

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Back to my issue: How can someone celebrate CHRISTmass and not believe in jesus? It just bothers me so deeply that they use this very special holiday (Easter being more important in our family but..) for what I see as selfish reasons.. If they do want to celebrate love and family this time of year.. thats great.. but why do they still have to consider it Christmas??
You said that people use the holiday for selfish reasons. That's ridiculous. Just because people celebrate in a different way than you doesn't make them selfish. It's not YOUR holiday. It doesn't belong to you.

I'm done though. I'm just so....wow, is all I can say.
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As you quoted me.. I did not say they were selfish for not believing what I do.. I believe they are selfish for using a Christian holiday for something other than Christian means.. are you Christian? I was looking for other Christians to see what their thoughts were on the subject.. This came from a thread on a board somewhere other than the faith board side.. so I decided to post it where it belonged.. to get away from the bashing and get true Christian thoughts on the subject.. That is why I posted this as a Christian thread.
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You may have posted the title as a Christian thread but the post was all about bashing the way other people celebrate. That's just sad.

YOU believe that it's a Christian holiday. I do not. Many other religions do not. I'm not wrong or selfish for celebrating Christmas. End of story.

Happy Yule!
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Please don't hyjack my thread.. I am looking for advice from fellow Christians.. for support on an issue that I have with my feelings about Christmas and Jesus. I posted this to gain advice not to bash or get bashed.. I hope you have a wonderful holiday season, I did not start this thread to start controversy, that is why I entitled the post "Christian" If you don't agree with my thoughts that is fine, but please give me the courtosy of not posting in something that you don't believe then just to simply bash my beliefs (if you don't believe in Christianity you didn't have to read this post).. You are more than welcome to start your own thread regarding your thoughts, beliefs and religious thoughts.

Again.. Happiest of Holidays to you.. I did not intend to offend others that don't believe as I do.. so I started a thread to welcome those Christians who share my faith is all.. and get their oppinions on how I feel.
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Please don't hyjack my thread.. I am looking for advice from fellow Christians.. for support on an issue that I have with my feelings about Christmas and Jesus. I posted this to gain advice not to bash or get bashed.. I hope you have a wonderful holiday season, I did not start this thread to start controversy, that is why I entitled the post "Christian" If you don't agree with my thoughts that is fine, but please give me the courtosy of not posting in something that you don't believe then just to simply bash my beliefs (if you don't believe in Christianity you didn't have to read this post).. You are more than welcome to start your own thread regarding your thoughts, beliefs and religious thoughts.

Again.. Happiest of Holidays to you.. I did not intend to offend others that don't believe as I do.. so I started a thread to welcome those Christians who share my faith is all.. and get their oppinions on how I feel.
You are offending people left and right. Consider that this holiday season.
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To those Christians that may or may not read this thread.. This is my turmoil! I am becoming so depressed about this subject, My faith is my strength and I am trying to remember what this time of year really means.. Christ was born to teach us the way of the lord.. and to call us to preach his word as well. I understand that not everyone believes or will believe, and I don't intend on shoving my thoughts in anyones home, but I do believe that CHRISTmas should be proclaimed and taught to those who do not know what this Holiday really means.

Well I think that I am done, as again.. this has turned into a battle of who's religion is right thread.. which was not it's intentions. Thanks to all that have taken the time to read my thread.. I will continue to pray for the answer to my feelings.

God bless everyone this Christmas Season
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I think I appreciate the jist of what you're saying. For example, say I decided to observe Ramadan this year. Beings as how I do NOT believe in the Koran, I do NOT believe in Muslim theology, and I do NOT believe in the Muslim god... my observation of that season would just be something like a cheap mockery of it, to those who take it deeply seriously. And you feel that those who do not believe in Jesus should not take the holy day celebrating His birth and make it into something else, because it's a mockery of it. Am I right? Something like that?

I actually do agree with you on principle, but stayed out of the fray on that other thread for a couple of reasons. Sounds like you are a Roman Catholic. I'm Eastern Orthodox, and in both our churches, we emphasize relationships with the Saints, who we believe are alive in heaven and praying for us. Most Protestants however, do not. I grew up Protestant and the idea of saints was something to be mocked at best and something "dangerous" at worst (I'm not making a blanket statement about Protestants, as there are many different stripes of them and they all believe different things, I'm saying SOME Protestants, the kind I grew up with.) For those Protestants who do believe that way, should we say they can't have Santa Claus? After all, he's based on a saint and they scorn saints.

We could also go after what some call "Chreaster Christians" - those who forget about God all year round and only acknowledge Him on Christmas and Easter. Maybe they shouldn't celebrate Christmas either, because it's obvious they don't take Christ seriously at all.

Pretty soon, we'd be going after everybody. To me, it's just not worth it. I'm honestly not criticizing you, because I'm really happy that you take it so seriously as a holy day. I wish more people did. But I think we have to pick our battles. As you said, the most important thing is what we teach our children. Mine are only 4 months, but we're doing what we can. I sing them a traditional Orthodox hymn all the time which I think captures the meaning beautifully:

The Virgin cometh today, to the cave to give birth
Ineffably to bring forth the Word Eternal
Wherefore, rejoice O Earth, at the message
With the angels and shepherds give glory to Him
Who shall appear by His own will as a young Child
He Who is from eternity, GOD!

I was also going to make a big deal out of St. Nicholas Day this year, but it was one of those days where I was so frazzled I was lucky to not have a nervous breakdown by the end of it. I figured they don't know the difference anyway. Next year I'll do better.

My kids will get presents and such, but first and foremost it will be a time of teaching how God came to earth in the flesh and assumed our nature, that we might be able to partake of His nature (II Peter 1:4). Bible stories and the Tradition of the Church. Lots of hymns. Nativity prayers. We Orthodox also fast for 40 days before Nativity, in order to prepare our heart for Christ to be born in it. So the feast on Christmas Day really MEANS something! I can't WAIT to share all this with my kids.

What kinds of things are you doing with Lexi? Like mine, she might not absorb a whole lot now, but it's a great thing to start early.

Let me close with a Traditional Orthodox Nativity saying:

"Christ is born! Glorify Him!"

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Another Christian here.
My question to you is:
Why in the world are you letting this "torment" you???
Bring it before God and let it go. There are millions of people arouind the world that celebrate Christmas and it's not for any one of us to say they can or can't.
IMO you need to spend some time with the Lord and figure out why this is bothering you.
I am tired of people being so easily offended by every little thing. There are atheists that celebrate this day. My two SIL are shinto and they celebrate this day. Am I offended--NO.
While I understand what you are saying, truly I do, IMHO you need to let it go and not torment you.
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I am a born-again Christian; I can only speak about what my household does to celebrate Christmas. We don't do a lot of gifts because we don't think that should be the focus of the day. Santa brings gifts, but he is not the focus of the day neither. We acknowledge it is the day that was set aside to celebrate the birth of Jesus but we don't call it His birthday. We don't make a huge deal out of any holiday because for us it's not about what we do and celebrate a few days a year but how we conduct ourselves each day of our lives. IMO, God is more concerned about our daily walk with Him that what we do and say on a Government named day.

Each person has their own reasons for celebrating, putting up a tree, giving gifts, etc. IMO, it is judgmental to say people that don't put Christ as the focus of their Christmas are selfish for celebrating it. As you will see below, December 25th is not a Christian trademark.

To say that non-Christians are selfish (and implying therefore shouldn't celebrate Christmas) would be the same as someone telling me I have no business observing Black History Month because I'm Caucasian.

Though it may not be your intention, your post does come across as judgmental. Just because someone else celebrates differently in their home it shouldn't influence yours. The only way Christ will be removed from your Christmas is if you choose to do so.

I do wish you the best and hope you can find peace with this.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas

Christmas or Christmas Day is an annual holiday that marks the traditional birthdate of Jesus of Nazareth. Christmas combines the celebration of Jesus' birth with various other traditions and customs, many of which were influenced by ancient winter festivals such as Yule[1] and Saturnalia. Christmas traditions include the display of Nativity scenes and Christmas trees, the exchange of gifts and cards, and the arrival of Santa Claus on Christmas Eve. Popular Christmas themes include the promotion of goodwill, giving, compassion, and quality family time.

Christmas Day falls on December 25. It is preceded by Christmas Eve on December 24, and in some countries is followed by Boxing Day on December 26. Some Eastern Orthodox Churches celebrate Christmas on January 7, which corresponds to December 25 on the Julian calendar. December 25 as a birthdate for Jesus is merely traditional, and is not thought to be his actual date of birth.[2]

Christmas is celebrated in most countries around the world, owing to the spread of Christianity and Western culture, along with the enduring popularity of wintertime celebrations. Various local and regional Christmas traditions are still practiced, despite the widespread influence of American and British Christmas motifs disseminated by film, popular literature, television, and other media.

Etymology
In Anglo-Saxon times, Christmas was referred to as geol[3], from which the current English word 'Yule' is derived. The word "Christmas" is a contraction meaning "Christ's mass." It is derived from the Middle English Christemasse and Old English Cristes mæsse, a phrase first recorded in 1038.[3] Dutch has a similar word, Kerstmis often shortened to Kerst. The words for the holiday in Spanish (navidad), Portuguese (natal), French (noël), Italian (natale), and Catalan (nadal) refer more explicitly to the Nativity. In contrast, the German name Weihnachten means simply "hallowed night."

Christmas is sometimes shortened to Xmas, an abbreviation that has a long history.[4] In early Greek versions of the New Testament, the letter Χ (chi), is the first letter of Christ (Χριστός). Since the mid-sixteenth century Χ, or the similar Roman letter X, was used as an abbreviation for Christ.[5]

History

Pre-Christian winter festivals
Main article: List of winter festivals
A winter festival was traditionally the most popular festival of the year in many cultures, in part because there was less agricultural work to be done during the winter. From a religious point of view, Easter was the most significant feast in the church calendar.[6] Christmas was considered less significant, and the early church opposed the celebration of birthdays of church members.[7] The prominence of Christmas in modern times may reflect the continuing influence of the winter festival tradition, including the following festivals:

Saturnalia
In Roman times, the best-known winter festival was Saturnalia, which was popular throughout Italy. Saturnalia was a time of general relaxation, feasting, merry-making, and a cessation of formal rules. It included the making and giving of small presents (Saturnalia et Sigillaricia), including small dolls for children and candles for adults.[8] During Saturnalia, business was postponed and even slaves feasted. There was drinking, gambling, and singing, and even public nudity. It was the "best of days," according to the poet Catullus.[9] Saturnalia honored the god Saturn and began on December 17. The festival gradually lengthened until the late Republican period, when it was seven days (December 17-24). In imperial times, Saturnalia was shortened to five days.[10]

Natalis Solis Invicti
Main article: Sol Invictus
The Romans held a festival on December 25 called Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, "the birthday of the unconquered sun." The use of the title Sol Invictus allowed several solar deities to be worshipped collectively, including Elah-Gabal, a Syrian sun god; Sol, the god of Emperor Aurelian (AD 270-274); and Mithras, a soldiers' god of Persian origin.[11] Emperor Elagabalus (218-222) introduced the festival, and it reached the height of its popularity under Aurelian, who promoted it as an empire-wide holiday.[12]

December 25 was also considered to be the date of the winter solstice, which the Romans called bruma.[8] It was therefore the day the Sun proved itself to be "unconquered" despite the shortening of daylight hours. (When Julius Caesar introduced the Julian Calendar in 45 BC, December 25 was approximately the date of the solstice. In modern times, the solstice falls on December 21 or 22.) The Sol Invictus festival has a "strong claim on the responsibility" for the date of Christmas, according to the Catholic Encyclopedia.[3] Several early Christian writers connected the rebirth of the sun to the birth of Jesus.[13] "O, how wonderfully acted Providence that on that day on which that Sun was born . . . Christ should be born," Cyprian wrote.[3]


Yule
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Pagan Scandinavia celebrated a winter festival called Yule, held in the late December to early January period. Yule logs were lit to honor Thor, the god of thunder, with the belief that each spark from the fire represented a new pig or calf that would be born during the coming year. Feasting would continue until the log burned out, which could take as many as twelve days.[14] In pagan Germania (not to be confused with Germany), the equivalent holiday was the mid-winter night which was followed by 12 "wild nights", filled with eating, drinking and partying.[15] As Northern Europe was the last part to Christianize, its pagan celebrations had a major influence on Christmas. Scandinavians still call Christmas Jul. In English, the Germanic word Yule is synonymous with Christmas,[16] a usage first recorded in 900.


Origin of Christian festival
It is unknown exactly when or why December 25 became associated with Jesus' birth. The New Testament does not give a specific date.[13] Sextus Julius Africanus popularized the idea that Jesus was born on December 25 in his Chronographiai, a reference book for Christians written in AD 221.[13] This date is nine months after the traditional date of the Incarnation (March 25), now celebrated as the Feast of the Annunciation.[17] March 25 was also considered to be the date of the vernal equinox and therefore the creation of Adam.[17] Early Christians believed March 25 was also the date Jesus was crucified.[17] The Christian idea that Jesus was conceived on the same date that he died on the cross is consistent with a Jewish belief that a prophet lived an integral number of years.[17]

The identification of the birthdate of Jesus did not at first inspire feasting or celebration. Tertullian does not mention it as a major feast day in the Church of Roman Africa. In 245, the theologian Origen denounced the idea of celebrating Jesus' birthday "as if he were a king pharaoh." He contended that only sinners, not saints, celebrated their birthdays.[7]

The earliest reference to the celebration of Christmas is in the Calendar of Filocalus, an illuminated manuscript compiled in Rome in 354.[3][18] In the east, meanwhile, Christians celebrated the birth of Jesus as part of Epiphany (January 6), although this festival focused on the baptism of Jesus.[19]

Christmas was promoted in the east as part of the revival of Catholicism following the death of the pro-Arian Emperor Valens at the Battle of Adrianople in 378. The feast was introduced to Constantinople in 379, to Antioch in about 380, and to Alexandria in about 430. Christmas was especially controversial in 4th century Constantinople, being the "fortress of Arianism," as Edward Gibbon described it. The feast disappeared after Gregory of Nazianzus resigned as bishop in 381, although it was reintroduced by John Chrysostom in about 400.[3]

Middle Ages
In the Early Middle Ages, Christmas Day was overshadowed by Epiphany, which in the west focused on the visit of the magi. But the Medieval calendar was dominated by Christmas-related holidays. The forty days before Christmas became the "forty days of St. Martin" (which began on November 11, the feast of St. Martin of Tours), now known as Advent.[20] In Italy, former Saturnalian traditions were attached to Advent.[20] Around the 12th century, these traditions transferred again to the Twelve Days of Christmas (December 26 - January 6).[20] The evening of January 5 was called Twelfth Night, a festival later celebrated in the play of that name by William Shakespeare. The fortieth day after Christmas was Candlemas.

The prominence of Christmas Day increased gradually after Charlemagne was crowned on Christmas Day in 800. King William I of England was crowned on Christmas Day 1066.

By the High Middle Ages, the holiday had become so prominent that chroniclers routinely noted where various magnates celebrated Christmas. King Richard II of England hosted a Christmas feast in 1377 at which twenty-eight oxen and three hundred sheep were eaten.[20] The Yule boar was a common feature of medieval Christmas feasts. Caroling also became popular, and was originally a group of dancers who sang. The group was composed of a lead singer and a ring of dancers that provided the chorus. Various writers of the time condemned caroling as lewd, indicating that the unruly traditions of Saturnalia and Yule may have continued in this form.[20] "Misrule" — drunkenness, promiscuity, gambling — was also an important aspect of the festival. In England, gifts were exchanged on New Year's Day, and there was special Christmas ale.[20]

Often the "misrule" got quite out of hand. According to the History Channel's documentary, Christmas Unwrapped: The History of Christmas, there was even a Christmas custom pre-dating trick-or-treat, in which revelers would knock at a door and demand the best portion of their host's food and ale, with "severe consequences" if he did not agree.

The Reformation and the 1800s
During the Reformation, Protestants condemned Christmas celebration as "trappings of popery" and the "rags of the Beast". The Catholic Church responded by promoting the festival in an even more religiously oriented form. Following the Parliamentary victory over King Charles I during the English Civil War, England's Puritan rulers banned Christmas, in 1647. Pro-Christmas rioting broke out in several cities, and for several weeks Canterbury was controlled by the rioters, who decorated doorways with holly and shouted royalist slogans.[21] The Restoration of 1660 ended the ban, but most of the Anglican clergy still disapproved of Christmas celebrations, using Protestant arguments.

In Colonial America, the Puritans of New England disapproved of Christmas; its celebration was outlawed in Boston from 1659 to 1681. At the same time, residents of Virginia and New York celebrated the holiday freely. Christmas fell out of favor in the United States after the American Revolution, when it was considered an English custom.

By the 1820s, sectarian tension in England had eased and British writers began to worry that Christmas was dying out. They imagined Tudor Christmas as a time of heartfelt celebration, and efforts were made to revive the holiday. Charles Dickens' book A Christmas Carol, published in 1843, played a major role in reinventing Christmas as a holiday emphasizing family, goodwill, and compassion over communal celebration and hedonistic excess.[22]

During the early part of the 19th century, interest in Christmas in America was revived by several short stories by Washington Irving in The Sketch Book of Geoffrey Crayon and "Old Christmas", which depicted harmonious warm-hearted holiday traditions Irving claimed to have observed in England. Although some argue that Irving invented the traditions he describes, they were imitated by his American readers.[23] The numerous German immigrants and the homecomings following the American Civil War helped promote the holiday by bringing with them continental European Christmas traditions still upheld in Catholic and Lutheran countries on the continent. Christmas was declared a U.S. federal holiday in 1870.

The 20th century and after
In 1914, the first year of World War I, there was an unofficial truce between German and British troops in France. Soldiers on both sides spontaneously began to sing carols and stopped fighting. The truce began on Christmas Day and continued for some time afterward.[24] Although many stories about the truce include a soccer game between the trench lines, there is no evidence that this event actually occurred.

In the later part of the 20th century, the United States experienced controversy over the nature of Christmas, and its status as a religious or secular holiday. Some considered the U.S. government's recognition of Christmas as a federal holiday to be a violation of the separation of church and state. This was brought to trial several times, including in Lynch v. Donnelly (1984)[25] and Ganulin v. United States (1999).[26] On December 6, 1999, the verdict for Ganulin v. United States (1999) declared that "the establishment of Christmas Day as a legal public holiday does not violate the Establishment Clause because it has a valid secular purpose." This decision was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court on December 19, 2000.

Concerns regarding Christmas' combined Christian and secular nature continued into the 21st century. In 2005, some Christians, along with American political commentators such as Bill O'Reilly, protested against the perceived secularization of Christmas. Some believed that the holiday was threatened by a general secular trend, or by persons and organizations with an anti-Christian agenda. The perceived trend was also blamed on political correctness.[27]

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Thanks so much for the advice! Both of you! I know I should not let this tormant me.. but it does.. and I am working on it! I almost was going to delete this thread as I didn't want to start any more controversy KWIM? God is very special to me and my family, and Im sure he wouldn't want me feeling the way I do about this subject.. so I just have to work on that..

Anyonykat ~ With Lexi starting this year (she was just home from the NICU 4 days before Christmas last year) We will begin the holiday tomorrow by attending afternoon mass.. I can't wait until she is old enough to attend midnight mass as it is a very special service! I love the singing.. the candles.. it's just beautiful.. even the empty manger (our church has it dark and empty until Christmas morning) has such a wonderful meaning and spirit about it! As I said we do also celebrate St. Nick as in the acutal Saint.. he will bring her gifts each year but something that will help her in some way.. It's hard this year with her being so young.. she won't understand much.. but I do want her to be there for everything just the same! We will do our annual Christmas story for her.. probably a shorter version as she can't sit still too long LOL.. about the birth of Jesus and the wisemen and the whole Christmas story by candlelight on our stairs! Someday Im sure she will really appreciate this tradition.

I was also raised Protestant (weird story actually.. my mother was catholic all her life and even attended a Catholic school.. but never raised or taught us any of the beliefs.. it wasn't until I got married that I decided to entire into an RCIA program and chose to become Catholic) So no, I was not taught about saints as well.. in fact they taught us that praying to a Saint was sacreligious.. Totally opposite of what my beliefs are now.

Again.. I truly appreciate the advice.. and will continue to pray for help regarding my sore feelings on the subject.. and try to remember that as long as I know what this holiday is really about, and teach my daughter what happened that causes us to celebrate this day.. that is all that matters.. easier said than done.. but I am trying with all my heart!

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I believe but was not raised to believe so here may be an answer for you...

Many people celebrate out of tradition, love and family. It is the one time of year many families get together. Even if they don't celebrate Christ shouldn't we still be happy they are doing what Christ would have wanted? For that one day there is an abundance of love, a true sense of family, giving one to another, and I believe it is truly the most peaceful day out of the year.

Some don't see christmas as religious, some know nothing of it at all. They were raised to decorate, buy presents, and have get togethers. To them it is only about food and family. Some know it is a christian centered holiday but don't believe so they use it as a chance of giving and family togetherness. To me it is still good.
I also know Christ was a very accepting person and loved everyone. He led by example so do your part and let the rest fall into place.
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I believe but was not raised to believe so here may be an answer for you...

Many people celebrate out of tradition, love and family. It is the one time of year many families get together. Even if they don't celebrate Christ shouldn't we still be happy they are doing what Christ would have wanted? For that one day there is an abundance of love, a true sense of family, giving one to another, and I believe it is truly the most peaceful day out of the year.

Some don't see christmas as religious, some know nothing of it at all. They were raised to decorate, buy presents, and have get togethers. To them it is only about food and family. Some know it is a christian centered holiday but don't believe so they use it as a chance of giving and family togetherness. To me it is still good.
I also know Christ was a very accepting person and loved everyone. He led by example so do your part and let the rest fall into place.


Exactly this--most especially the very first sentence.
None of my family are believers and when I talk about Christs birthday (which it really isn't on this particular day) they look at me like I have 2 heads. But since they are family I go and visit and just wonder in my head--"do they not even know what they are celebrating?"
To me it's all about Christ, not the gifts and the other crap that goes along with it.
But people the world over celebrate the day not really knowing what they are celebrating.
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