Jashobeam

Abraham also LIED. He trusted in a Saviour yet to come and his sins were washed away just as ours can be. Abraham looked forward to the Savior, we look backward. If Abraham had to be 100% without God's grace, yes of course he and everyone else every born would be in Hell right now. Abraham is in God's Heaven because He trused on the Savior to come.

Romans 4:3
What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."

lachicarubia

I have read all the posts, and I don't remember anyone stating that Mormons currently practice polygamy. Did I miss it? If I had seen a post stating that, I would have been all over it, since I just happen to be Mormon.
You are not refering to my post above, are you?
Maybe I need to clarify that "early Mormons who practiced polygamy" refers to those Mormons who practiced polygamy before 1890, before it was outlawed by the US gov't. My main point being that Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Lorenzo Snow, and the other "Early Mormons who practiced polygamy" should not be considered "sinners" just as Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, of the Bible, should not be considered "sinners" because in their time, polygamy was not probihited by the law, and was not considered a "sin" by the Lord either.

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lachicarubia

Oh yes, of course, of course, "for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God" All need to repent of their sins and accept the atonement of Christ in order to be forgiven of their sins. Even the people of Ninevah escaped destruction because they repented of their sins.

But Abraham was never warned to stop practicing polygamy or be destroyed, he was not even instructed to stop practicing prolygamy, nor was he instructed to teach his children not to practice polygamy. Why? Because polygamy was not probihited by the law of the land, nor by the Lord; it wasn't a sin.

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Jashobeam

If you are Mormon and your church doesn't allow polygamy, why do you take up for it? If it was OK with your founders, why not move to a country where it is allowed and practice it? The Amish were not allowed to be pacifists in other countries, so they moved to the US where they could be pacifists. To me, if Smith said, "This is from God," then Mormons today should seek an area where they can practice what they believe is from God.

No, I don't see Abraham being allowed to have more than one wife and God blessing him for that. It's apparent that Abraham left God's Will and followed that of his wife and his own will. As was stated before NO WHERE in Scripture are we commanded to live like that. God said marriage is one man and one wife. When He started to allow divorce, He was asked about it and said that it was because of the evil of men, God didn't punish them for a sin- the sin of divorce. God allowed what was sin to go on because the people were evil. God allowed Abraham to have another woman under his roof, but NO WHERE do we find God saying He approves of that.

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I never said that God blessed Abraham because he practiced polygamy. He blessed Abraham, because he "followed the way of the Lord." Abraham just happened to have more than one wife at the time that God pronounced that blessing upon him. If polygamy was considered a sin by the God, than why did God say that Abraham "followed the way of the Lord" at a time when Abraham was practicing polygamy.

NO WHERE do we find God saying that polygamy is a sin, and that it must be stopped, or Abraham would be destroyed like Sodom and Gomorah were destroyed. God didn't even require that Abraham stop practicing polygamy in order to be considered to "follow the way of the Lord", in order to receive the blessing that the Lord pronounced upon him.

The only times that the Lord was displeased with the practice of polygamy was when the husband's heart followed after the worship of the pagan idols of his new brides, or when David sent Uriah to the front line of the war in order to cause his death so he could obtain Uriah's wife as his own.

As far as practicing polygamy today: Could you imagine 13 million Mormons trying to migrate to a country that happens to allow polygamy? Seems pretty impractical.

Polygamy was allowed by God, but it isn't a commandment. We don't need to practice polygamy in order to enter the kingdom of God, it isn't required of us. Baptism is required, but not polygamy.
In the past, polygamy served a purpose, and was allowed by the law, and by God. But today, there is not a need to practice polygamy. So it really is not important if we are not allowed by the gov't to practice polygamy.

Now if the gov't decided to make baptism illegal, then that would be something we would demand to be able to practice, or migrate to another country in order to have freedom of religion, and continue the practice of baptism.

As I have stated before, I am not writing these posts because I think that we need to practice polygamy today, or because I would even want to practice polygamy if it were legal (as I stated before, I don't think my DH could even handle more than 1 wife).

I am only trying to answer the original question asked by the OP. The main question asked by the OP was if "Christian polygamy was possible." My answer was yes, but only if it is legal in the country that they reside in.
The reason for this answer is that Joseph Smith and other Mormons of his time were in fact "Christians" who did, in fact, practice polygamy which was not prohibited, or considered a "sin" by the Lord (Abraham being the prime example of this), neither was it prohibed by the US gov't when they first started the practice. So since polygamy is not prohibited by the Lord, as long as it is not prohibited by the law of the land in which they reside, it is possible for a Christian to practice polygamy.

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Jashobeam

The fact is only Mormons have called themselves Christians and practiced polygamy. The fact is it started in that group because the founders wanted it in. Some even said it was a requirement to be a Mormon. So, don't expect others to accept your arguments. No, God didn't strike down everyone who commited a sexual sin like taking in a woman not their first wife. If He did the earth would have been destroyed again after the flood, and so far it hasn't been. Reread the replies. Polygamy is not a Biblical based marriage setup. God is clean on His command that marriage is one man and one woman. Your leaders wanted something else, so they look back to the FEW in the Bible who broke with traiditional, God given marriage, and took on additional wives. It brought heartache and misery to those men, women and children. So, yes I think those in the Mormon belief system who took on additional wives were disrespecting God's order of things and going against God's Will.

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I am sorry that you are having trouble accepting some facts from the Bible. Even if polygamy is something that you disagree with, or consider to be a sin, it is pretty hard to argue with Scripture truth.

In the following quote, You said yourself that Abraham believed in the Savior yet to come, who was Jesus Christ, so he too was Christian, even before it was officially called Christianity. So it looks like Mormons were not the only Christians to practice polygamy.

I don't need to reread the replies, I can read from the Scriptures.

God didn't just NOT destroy Abraham, but he BLESSED him at a time when he had been practicing polygamy for many years. Abraham and Isaac and Jacob were not just a "FEW in the Bible" they were PROPHETS, they were the CHOSEN people, GOD SPOKE to his prophets, he was pleased with them because the "followed the way of the Lord" and he pronounced a great blessing upon them.

So do you really think that God would appear in person, and then pronounce a blessing upon a man who was committing a heinous sin?

And what was the 1 thing that God asked Abraham to do to enter into this covenant, and receive the blessing?
Did God ask him to stop practicing polygamy?
Did God instruct Abraham to teach his children to marry only 1 wife?
He told Abraham that his wife would give birth to Isaac the next year. Did he require him to tell Isaac and the rest of his descendants to only marry 1 wife, otherwise they would break the covenant, and they would not inherit the blessing?

NO, NOTHING about requiring Abraham and his descendants to have only 1 wife was even mentioned. Abraham was already "following the way of the Lord" during a time that he was practicing polygamy. His ONLY requirement to enter into the covenant was for him and all the male members of his family to be circumcised.

I don't think that God would pronounce a blessing upon a man who was living in a manner that went against His will.

We MUST come to the conclusion that God didn't mind if Abraham had more than wife. It wasn't commanded, but neither was it prohibited.

Clearly polygamy isn't required of God, and not everyone can handle having more than one wife, or sharing their DH with another woman, even if he is legally married to her. Many people, including yourself, find it hard to accept that polygamy could even be allowed by God. Just because polygamy is not easy to practice without jealousy, or just because it is hard for some to accept, that doesn't make it a sin, or going against the will of the Lord.

I guess if you and others don't believe it, than you have that right. But your personal beliefs can't change scripture, and they can't change truth.

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Ajani

We're all sinners. If Abraham had to be sinless to be blessed, the world would have been doomed. The fact is just because God blesses someone, that does not mean that He condones all of their actions. Just look at the mess that resulted from Abraham's sin with Hagar. To this day Judiasm and Islam are at odds in a horrible way. That is not from God. He did not condone Abraham's sin. He blessed him in spite of it.

And FTR, Abraham was a follower of God, but Jesus did not yet have followers, as He had not come to earth. Abraham was a Jew. Heck, Jesus was a Jew. Christians did not come along until after Jesus came to earth.

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Jashobeam

Well said!

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nspear

How old is this thread LOL!

I was just reading back a few posts and wanted to clear up the whole Catholic priest and marriage statements.. the reason behind them not being able to marry is because in the eyes of the church when they take their vows they are then married to the church and god.. so haveing a wife etc would be considered just what the thread is about polygamy.. ironically enough! LOL

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