Christian Polygamy? - Page 8

ryantracy05 · 05-07-2008, 01:42 PM

I started on this thread in the beginning and saw that it was going to keep going in circles. But of course you get hooked on it so I had to come back and give my 2 cents. Pologmy is a sin no matter how you want to look at it. Matthew 5:27-28 says if you look at a women with lust you have already commited adultry with her in your heart. Commeandment #7. These men are not just coming across another women and saying "hey, she looks like she might be a great wife." Please! There for they are sinning before they even get started.

lachicarubia · 05-07-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ryantracy05

I started on this thread in the beginning and saw that it was going to keep going in circles. But of course you get hooked on it so I had to come back and give my 2 cents. Pologmy is a sin no matter how you want to look at it. Matthew 5:27-28 says if you look at a women with lust you have already commited adultry with her in your heart. Commeandment #7. These men are not just coming across another women and saying "hey, she looks like she might be a great wife." Please! There for they are sinning before they even get started.

You have a good point.
But, are you saying that it is impossible for a man to marry someone without having LUSTED after her (and thus commiting adultery in his heart) before the wedding night?

But what about those single guys? Since you are saying that it is impossible not to lust after a woman he wants to marry, does lusting after his fiance cause him to commit fornication (in his heart) before he takes his bride to the alter?
If it is impossible not to LUST after one we want to marry, that would mean that ALL of us would be guilty of fornication EVEN if we waited until our wedding night to consumate our relationship.

I don't agree, I don't think that EVERY man LUSTS after a woman before deciding to marry her. Some might, but that doesn't mean that ALL do, and that doesn't mean that ALL those who marry more than wife do either.

ryantracy05 · 05-08-2008, 12:28 PM

We are talking about men here, I think that they all lust. But my point was they do lust and so the relationship starts like all others. Not saying every single one does but probably most. But I also believe when God says something we should take it as a command. The other thing is God says we are to obey the laws and governents of the land. So if it is against the law you are going against God. But then again those are our choices. And we will judged for those.

JoyJoyJoy · 05-13-2008, 12:36 PM

In my opinion God gave Adam one wife and he should be the ultimate example of our living.

JoyJoyJoy · 05-13-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PBLayzod

I can see the benefit of having a friend to share the responsibilities of family and home, but I wouldn't personally want to share my husband. It also seems that there is always a tendency to arrange marriages amoung very young girls in these sorts of groups. So no, I don't have a problem with it in theory, but yes, I have a very big problem with it in practice.

I think religious cults are very dangerous regardless of the number of wives allowed. Being raised in one, I know first had how difficult it is to adjust to the outside world after the experience.

A "friend" is one thing ,but having a women open her legs for your husband is another. If you want a extra hand with the house perhaps a maid is better.

PBLayzod · 05-13-2008, 01:02 PM

Wow, talk about responding to only part of a post! You only responded to half of a sentence. If you would have followed through to the period you would have seen that I said I didn't want to share my husband regardless of the extra help another "wife" might bring.

sarahgmac · 05-13-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JoyJoyJoy

A "friend" is one thing ,but having a women open her legs for your husband is another. If you want a extra hand with the house perhaps a maid is better.

Yeah I think your post is borderline flaming! The quote did not condone polygamy, just said that the upside would be getting more help.

juststartn · 05-13-2008, 03:33 PM

I don't think she was flaming her--I think that JJJ's post was a little mis-worded, if I am reading it correctly.

I read it as "if you (general you, not specific to the poster she was quoting--directed more at women who might actually see this as a positive thing) want extra help..maybe a maid is better"--well, I can see how I would say "you" in that instance (if I was speaking one-on-one to another woman). Although it would probably come out more along the lines of "if ya want some help with the laundry, for pete's sake, hire it out! But I draw the line at letting the laundry lady spread her legs for my DH, too!" (if I was speaking of this to a friend of mine, about the TX FLDS group).

I think that we've been struck once again by the lack of nuance and tone available(on message boards). Maybe I'm just trying to read it in a more positive light.

Rachel

JoyJoyJoy · 05-13-2008, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PBLayzod

Wow, talk about responding to only part of a post! You only responded to half of a sentence. If you would have followed through to the period you would have seen that I said I didn't want to share my husband regardless of the extra help another "wife" might bring.

I was speaking in general not AT you.

Jashobeam · 05-14-2008, 07:43 PM

Proverbs 23:29-50

29 Who has woe? Who has sorrow?
Who has strife? Who has complaints?
Who has needless bruises? Who has bloodshot eyes?

30 Those who linger over wine,
who go to sample bowls of mixed wine.

31 Do not gaze at wine when it is red,
when it sparkles in the cup,
when it goes down smoothly!

32 In the end it bites like a snake
and poisons like a viper.

33 Your eyes will see strange sights
and your mind imagine confusing things.

34 You will be like one sleeping on the high seas,
lying on top of the rigging.

35 "They hit me," you will say, "but I'm not hurt!
They beat me, but I don't feel it!
When will I wake up
so I can find another drink?"

Verses about the Trinity:

http://www.biblehelp.org/reference_1.htm

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/trinity.shtml

TheBigBite · 06-04-2008, 04:42 PM

How interesting that the word itself is Greek - Poly meaning many, Gamos meaning marriage.

Here in Greece, where I live with my Greek Orthodox Fiance and in a village with hundreds of strict practicing Orthodox followers, Polygamy is not practiced, and considered a sin.

PBLayzod · 06-04-2008, 09:27 PM

Claire ~ I'm envious. I'd love to visit Greece some day. I can't imagine living there.

lachicarubia · 06-05-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBigBite

Here in Greece, where I live with my Greek Orthodox Fiance and in a village with hundreds of strict practicing Orthodox followers, Polygamy is not practiced, and considered a sin.

I couldn't help but notice that you said that you live with your fiance. What about fornication? Is that not considered a sin in that strict little Greek Orthodox village? (I am not here to judge, just pointing out some facts.)

I think it is quite interesting that many people consider polygamy to be a sin, yet they think that fornication is quite acceptable. It's like saying that it is OK to have sex with as many women as you want, as long as you are not married to any of them.

OK, I have 1 question to ask those that think that polygamy is a sin (even if it were not illegal). Obviously polygamy was not illegal in the days of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Do you think that these men are burning in hell right now because they had more than 1 wife? Then Abraham's bosom described in Luke 16:22 (And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom...) must really be the place where sinners go?

I don't think so.

If angels carried the begger into Abrahams bosom, then it must not be hell. Therefore God must not consider polygamy a sin. Also, Abraham was never chastized for having more than one wife, and received incredible blessings from the Lord, while in the midst of practicing polygamy.

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Genesis 18
18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the Lord, to do justice and judgement; that the Lord may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.
20 And the Lord said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;

Ok, this scripture was writen after Abraham had already been practicing polygamy for quite some time. The Lord said that "I know him, and he will command his children, and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the Lord." While he was practicing polygamy, he was keeping "way of the Lord." Is commiting a sin keeping "the way of the Lord"?

Abraham, the polygamist, was given a blessing from the Lord, at the same time that the Lord saw that Sodom and Gomorrah's sins were "very grievous". I think that most agree that the main sins of Sodom and Gomorrah were homosexuality (hence the orgin of the word "sodomy"), among other things, probably adultry, murder, and maybe even fornication.

So the Lord blessed the polygamist, and then destroyed the homosexuals/murders, etc. Hum, so do you think that the Lord REALLY considered polygamy a sin? If polygamy is a sin, why wasn't Abraham destroyed too? Why was Abraham given such a wonderful blessing if he was a sinner? And why would Jesus Christ refer to "Heaven" as Abraham's bosom, if Abraham was a sinner?

Even though polygamy is illegal in the USA right now (and probably other countries), and at this time there really is no need for polygamy, I think that we do a real injustice to the Prophets of the bible, and the early Mormons who practiced polygamy by calling them sinners, when clearly the Lord has never considered polygamy a sin as long as it was not prohibited by the law of the land.

farmgrrl · 06-05-2008, 11:38 AM

Some people in this thread have claimed that Mormons practice polygamy. The Mormon religion has banned polygamy since 1890. Read more here. The FLDS group that has been in the news lately is a splinter group that split off from the Mormon religion and have their own rules, not sanctioned by Mormonism.

TheBigBite · 06-05-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by lachicarubia

I couldn't help but notice that you said that you live with your fiance. What about fornication? Is that not considered a sin in that strict little Greek Orthodox village? (I am not here to judge, just pointing out some facts.)

I wish to point out that I didnt say 'I' thought it was a sin, in fact I do not even class myself as Orthodox or even Christian, and dont live by what I believe is sinful or the way of the lord. I live by my own opinions of right and wrong.

That is why I didnt put my own opinion of Polygamy in my first post, because this post is entitled 'Christian Polygamy', not simply 'polygamy'. I simply found it interesting that the word itself is a Greek word as I am learning the Greek Language.

And in direct answer to your question about my lifestyle, I have never been made to feel like a sinner by the Orthodox people here, in fact my Fiance's grandmother lives one floor below us and on the week I moved in, she welcomed me with open arms. In this modern world I really believe that it is important to live together with the person you intend to marry before marriage to ensure that you are compatible. Divorce here is still quite rare, but fornication as you call it is very common even here. I believe this is a better balance to have in the modern world than the opposite......

The village 'Papas' (priest) knows me and knows I live with my Fiance. One of the practices here is for the Papas to walk through the village on 6th January every year, and to enter every house and sprinkle holy water in every room (yes, including the double bed in the only bedroom in our house, so there is no confusion about our relationship) and on every person. The Papas has done this in our house every year snce I arrived here 4 years ago, and this is the Papas that will marry us.