I feel the need to post here that the Bible was changed to add the words and topics of Homosexuality, Witchcraft, divination and the like to support the teachings of the political realm at the time of translation.
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Last edited by Tribal; 10-22-2008 at 08:01 PM.
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I feel the need to post here that the Bible was changed to add the words and topics of Homosexuality, Witchcraft, divination and the like to support the teachings of the political realm at the time of translation.
That is not true. There are many lies out there about the Bible and that is one of the most popular, but still untrue.
Nobody knows for sure what is true or not true about the New Testament. Just do a bit of research and you can find that as a fact.
What we do know is that the modern day Bible was *hand picked* by the religious and political figures of the time to help control the lay people. Literally, they sat around together and deliberated what they wanted to add and take away. The proof? Look at the other documents found that were deliberately chosen not to be placed in the Bible. We also know that as various translations were given, things were changed to fit the times. All you have to do find that this is true is go to your local bookstore and pick up different translations of the Bible, it changes from one to the next.
I used to not want to find out the truth about the Bible, because once I did, I had to question my whole belief system. But I think it is important to not blindly follow something just because somebody told you that something is fact.
If you are a Christian, or a Catholic, or a Hindu, or a Pagan, you have to follow your faith based on more than just words.
My point here on this particular thread? You have to use more than scripture for your belief as something is wrong. If you feel in your soul that using a psychic is wrong, than that's ok. But it has to be more than written words from thousands of years ago that have been changed.
One thing I appreciate about the faith and healing board is the fact that *most* of the time people can have religious discussions without getting heated and offended. So, thank you for letting me give my opinion.
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We need more than scripture? Really? Um, maybe if we're not believers. But as beleivers God's word, which was inspired by (read - selected word for word by) Him, is plenty for us. Faith is faith for a reason. We believe because He inspires us to believe through His gift of faith, strengthened by His word.
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Personally I believe a few of them have merit, in being correct I mean.
I believe the occult is a very real thing, and that there is some 'power' behind it, now what give it 'power' is the problem.
When I was in High school I started dating this guy (who was in college) who had said he was a Christian, but had been part of the occult (forgive me for not recalling which one exactly) anyway he told me he had been pretty high up the chain like a priest of something before he left it and became saved. He was worried about my safety because his Ex was still a part and was the jealous type. I told him not to worry because nothing of the occult could harm me, I am a child of God with Christ's protection.
The next time I saw him he was really spooked out (we broke up shortly there after) He said he had gone back to the head of his..can't recall the name its been a while...and asked to have a spell of protection cast over me 'just in case'. The 'friend' while doing the spell (according to him) Got REALLY spooked and said that there was already a greater protection over me than anything she'd ever seen....and somewhere in that advised him to stay away from me lest he upset the one protecting me.
Point being, Maybe she could tell you the future, maybe she could give you an answer you are seeking, but who would that information really be coming from? Do you really doubt that Satan is intelligent? at what price.
I will admit when I first read the thread about the psychic my heart skipped a beat, and then another. 1st a second of what if, than a Oh my God, where are these people being led?
People of the occult are not bad people, they may even be nicer than half the people in my church, but their source is...well...
Nobody knows for sure what is true or not true about the New Testament. Just do a bit of research and you can find that as a fact.
This point is a contradiction in itself.
Please for those out there, respect the OP and their questions. I would never get on a pagan thread and post. Despite my beliefs. A jewish person, or muslim person, is in fact very different than a pagan person posting.
I have to ask, if I am going to say that I feel in my heart that something is ok, then does that make it ok? What if I feel it is ok to murder someone because they live in a way that is different than myself, and their morals are what I believe to be wrong? Does that make it ok? Just because that is what I feel in my heart (and I can twist scripture to support). The obvious answer should be no, but using the whole truth is relative to each person in their own context, makes what is true fluid, and not accurate. Badly worded, but I have to get out of the house!
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There are things that have been against Christian faith since the very beginning of the Church...the days of Christ, the days of the Apostles...
Sorcery, divination, homosexuality, abortion---these are all things that have been against the Faith since day 1. Does that mean we hate these people? NO. We don't like the things that they do, and we pray for them. But loving someone doesn't mean accepting the things that they do, and it certainly doesn't mean that we ought to "accept" and "tolerate" their differences...NOWHERE in the Bible is "tolerance" listed a virtue.
For a solid early translation, check out the Vulgate, by St Jerome.
But loving someone doesn't mean accepting the things that they do, and it certainly doesn't mean that we ought to "accept" and "tolerate" their differences...NOWHERE in the Bible is "tolerance" listed a virtue.
Rachel
Very good point! exactly how I have been feeling these days. There is danger in the road of tolerance, good is not always God.
I understand what all of the responses are saying and I guess I was under the impression that the question was generalized to people that are or were Christians.
Sorry for any offense I may have caused. I would just like to say that when I was growing up, I was taught firmly in the Bible, the belief that it is word to word God's voice and by the time I had graduated into Junior High, we had studied the entire thing. My point is, My search and opinions didn't come from out of the blue or from a background that was ignorant of the Bible. I have had a long journey, part of which started five years ago when I realized that my faith needed to be extended deeper. If anyone would like to talk to me about that, feel free to pm me. I have been studying this for at least 5 years and I thought I would nicely give my view.
As for the poster that brought up murder, if you would like to discuss this point further in private messages, I'd be happy to, or we can start a different thread. I think it is unfair to detour the thread from the original question.
I also feel that I should point out that I am not "anti-bible", in fact I keep one on my bedside for inspiration and encouragement. I just have done my own research and the above posts are the conclusions I have obtained.
Again, I didn't mean to offend. I was hoping to gave a different prospective to the OP. Thanks.
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I'll never understand why people feel compelled to post contrary viewpoints on our faith on a thread specifically asking for a Christian opinion. I've never read the Muslim or JW or Jewish threads, but do pagans and others go on them trying to convince them why their faith is misplaced or their scriptures are wrong?
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I get, ok? You think I shouldn't have posted here.
Thanks for ignoring my attempt to bow out gracefully.
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As for the poster that brought up murder, if you would like to discuss this point further in private messages, I'd be happy to, or we can start a different thread. I think it is unfair to detour the thread from the original question.
Tribal- you are right. I was just exxagerating for point. Although I think you can justify just about anything you want using scripture. I am going to post a thread on faith and healing. I sincerely am interested now on people's responses. Please come over...
Re: Kat's post- Good point. Sometimes I forget that something so "normal" for me personally is actually a step in a process. I also like that you brought up the scripture in Romans, because we live in such a "right now" society. Answers don't always come the very first time we pray about something. How very frustrating that can be....
And a great big 'good day' to all.
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I, personally, wasn't offended by your perspective, and I didn't feel it was contrary. What's more, I'm a bit shocked at the reaction and reponses on this thread.
So much for WWJD...
I still COMPLETELY agree with your point that:
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You have to use more than scripture for your belief as something is wrong.
For anyone to say that you were suggesting going by 'feelings' is simply an attempt on their part to make up something that isn't there. (talk about 'twisting'...)
As I said, some Christians DO believe that PRAYER is important and should be turned to in addition to scripture.
And I would ask any Christian to post scripture suggesting that scripture alone (as opposed to scripture and prayer) should be the only way Christians should live.
To the OP...read scripture, but also stay in prayer
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Actually, *NO WHERE* in the Bible is "Scripture alone" found to be the model. Not one instance. Since, of course, in the earliest days of the Church, tradition was passed on orally, or on rare occasion, by the letters we have remaining (thanks be to God's grace!), those first Christians heard to gospel passed on by word of mouth...some--nearly all, in fact, could not read at all, a written gospel would have been only mildly useful. But as those first Christians, the Apostles, began to pass on the knowledge, some of it was written down (even they talk about the things that they have taught those the letters are being written to at the time..not by that letter, but in person, or that have been taught by their representatives...). It is very important to realize that while Scripture is important, very much so, it is only one piece of the puzzle...
I'd suggest reading the Early Church Fathers (Jerome, Ignatius, Iranaeus, etc). Their writings, while NOT scripture, give LOTS of detail and information on the early days of the Church. They were trained by the Apostles themselves, or by those trained by the Apostles (kind of like their spiritual children and grandchildren).
The Didache is also a vital document of the early Church...something else to read if you are interested in learning about how the early Church taught, believed, etc. Definitely worth the reading.
