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Just wondering if anyone has gone through embryo adoption? I am wondering of any successes and what the process is? I am about to venture into this adventure in April and so far am blind to it all
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I have been thru embryo adoption/donation and have nothing but good things to say about it. I had my last donated transfer in Sept. of 2003 and became pg with twins. I had twin boys in April of 2004. They are such a blessing.

The clinic I went thru had a donation program. Dh and I were able to look thru 7 available profiles and then choose which profile "fit" us best. The embryos that we wanted originally were taken before we asked for them so we went with our second choice. The characteristics of the genetic family were nothing like ours, but we felt that these were the best embryos out of the remaining 6 profiles. I had been thru 4 other ivf/fet's so the process of the shots and the 2ww were old hat. Once we picked our embryos then we started the med cycle. I had been on bcp so it was easy to figure out when to start all the meds. It's been so long ago, but I think I started with lupron, then estrace and eventually progesterone in oil.

There is a website that has a TON of info on EA/ED. It's a christian website. The website is http://hannahsprayer.org/board/index.php?act=SF&f=81 It's for [b]women only[b] and you must join in order to read the information.

If you have any other questions you can pm me. I'm not on SC very often, but I'll try and check it more often. Good luck with everything.

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I personally havent done any of this but a friend told me of Snowflake adoptions and I thought what a wonderful idea. From what I hear they are a awsome place to go thru. Good luck to anything you do to make your dreams of a family come true. I know it is very long but I added what I read. Also you should be able to type Snowflake Embreyo Adoptions and other links should come up.


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By Allison M. Heinrichs
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Sunday, June 5, 2005

Some snowflakes don't melt.


These "snowflakes" -- frozen human embryos -- collect in clinics, hospitals and storage facilities. And they are at the center of a hot debate in Washington, D.C.

The U.S. House passed legislation last month that would expand the use of embryonic stem cells in medical research. The measure is now before the U.S. Senate.

At the heart of the debate is whether embryos -- which contain about eight cells -- constitute life. Religious leaders differ on the issue.


"Judaism has a principle -- preservation of life -- that we place above all else. We believe that the preservation of life is primary," he said Rabbi Avi Friedman of the Tree of Life Congregation in Squirrel Hill. "Clearly in this case, (the embryo) is not a human, and if it is to be discarded, it should certainly be used to save a life."

The Catholic Church believes the embryos are living beings. It strongly opposes embryonic stem cell research, said Susan Rauscher, secretary for pastoral concerns with the Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese.

"It's pretty simple -- from the moment that that cell divides, you've got a human life, and we must protect that human life," Rauscher said.

The church also opposes in vitro fertilization, the process of fertilizing eggs outside the womb. But the church has not taken a stance on embryo donation for adoption other than protecting embryos, she said.

In Pittsburgh, most people either save their embryos with the intention of building a future family or have them thawed and discarded when their families are complete, said representatives of local fertility centers. The centers would not provide numbers of couples who undergo fertility treatments, nor would they provide numbers of embryos stored there.

One Westmoreland County couple decided to donate their extra embryos last year after having triplets through in vitro fertilization. The couple, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said if they'd only had one child, they would have considered using their extra embryos. But with three active toddlers, they had their hands full.

However, that left four frozen embryos and one big decision.

"We knew we didn't want to discard them because of the potential for children, whether they be ours or somebody else's," said the mother.

Because somebody donated sperm to create their children, she said they wanted to return the favor by helping another infertile couple. They are in the process of transferring their embryos to a Virginia couple.

If they couldn't have donated the embryos to another couple, they would have given them to research, she said.

"We just didn't want to discard them," the woman said.

Nationwide, 400,000 frozen embryos -- which some people call snowflake babies because, like snowflakes, each frozen embryo is unique -- rest in cryogenic freezers, according to the American Society for Reproductive Medicine.

About 50,000 embryos are "leftovers" -- unused by the parents who created them. These embryos can be used for research, donated to another couple, destroyed or kept on ice indefinitely, like a permanently frozen snowflake.

Since Dr. Scott Kauma became the clinical program director of the Jones Institute at Western Pennsylvania Hospital in Bloomfield in 2003, not one local couple he has worked with has chosen to donate their embryos to research or to another couple. Instead they opted to discard any unused embryos.

"Over my career, I've only had a handful of couples that have decided to release their embryos for adoption," said Kauma, who has been involved in reproductive health since 1986.

The University of Pittsburgh Medical Center's Magee-Womens Hospital in Oakland also hasn't had anyone select donation, said UPMC spokeswoman Michele Baum. Most people there choose to keep the embryos frozen indefinitely. The rest have them discarded.

In Penn Hills-based Reproductive Health Service's five-year history, only one or two couples have given their embryos to other couples, and nobody has donated to research, said Dr. Carolyn Kubik, the clinic's co-owner.

"For the most part, couples who have experienced infertility, though they are very anxious to help other couples be as successful as they are, feel very attached to their embryos," Kubik said.

If a couple doesn't use all of their embryos, they usually choose to destroy them she said, Storage, which costs about $400 a year, can get expensive, she said.

Couples who choose to adopt already fertilized embryos usually pay from $2,000 to $5,000 to have genetic tests and disease screenings done and then to have the embryos thawed and implanted. The fee is considerably less than undergoing in vitro fertilization, which runs around $10,000 a try, or attempt infant adoption, which can cost more than $20,000.

However, babies are born in only about 20 percent of embryo adoptions from young, healthy women because thawing causes stress to the embryo. Usually the frozen embryos are also of a lower quality because the genetic parents have used the best embryos to attempt a pregnancy.

Most states, including Pennsylvania, have no laws regarding embryos and their potential for adoption.

"It used to be easy to know who your mother is, but science has made that, in some cases, unclear," said Harry Gruener, a University of Pittsburgh professor of family law. "It's a strange, strange situation, and the legal response is all tied up in a lot of emotionally charged rhetoric, and it should be. People have strong feelings about this."

Gruener serves on a recently formed 13-member task force charged with recommending laws for Pennsylvania regarding, among other issues, embryo adoption, surrogacy, egg donation, embryo ownership after divorce, and determining whether embryos are property or children.

To avoid legal battles and to remain impartial, Reproductive Health Services does not actually help couples make donations or advise them about which options might be best for them. Instead, it gives patients information on organizations that can help them with donation either to research or another couple, Kubik said. In the meantime, embryos from the clinic needing storage are sent to ReproTech Ltd., in Minnesota.

At ReproTech, most people decide to destroy their excess embryos, but of those that don't, donation to research is the most popular choice, said Russ Bierbaum, the facility's president. Most people select research because they are uncomfortable knowing that another couple could raise their genetic children, but want their embryos used for something, he said.

Bierbaum said he supports legislation to allow federal funding for embryonic stem cell research that the U.S. House passed on May 24.

"The bottom line is, people need this option, and they've been very thankful to have it," Bierbaum said.

President Bush has promised to veto the measure because it crosses "a critical ethical line." He announced the veto threat during a photo opportunity at the White House with the families of several snowflake children.

The president banned federal funding for new embryonic stem cell experiments soon after he took office, although he allowed researchers to continue studying embryonic stem cell lines already in existence.

The division over the use of embryonic stem cells extends to Pennsylvania's two Republican U.S. senators.

Sen. Arlen Specter of Philadelphia, sponsor of the Senate version of the House bill, has vowed to muster enough votes to override a presidential veto. Specter, who is undergoing treatment for cancer, said he supports embryonic stem cell research because of the potential to cure life-threatening diseases.

Sen. Rick Santorum of Penn Hills, firmly opposes destroying embryos and said he would vote against legislation permitting that destruction.

"I believe that there may or may not be some promise with embryonic stem cell research, but what I do know is that the only way we do know of to get (embryonic) stem cells is ethically troubling because you're destroying human life," Santorum said.

He is pursuing legislation to keep fertility clinics from creating excess embryos and said already-existing embryos that are not donated to other couples should be kept frozen and allowed to eventually die a "natural death."

In May, Santorum met with several families who traveled to Washington with their snowflake babies to protest the House bill. Among the families who made the trip were Blacklick, Ohio residents Janet and Kevin Mason and their 11-month-old twins, Caleb and Jordan.

The twins, whose genetic parents live in Minnesota, were frozen for six years before they were placed in Janet Mason's uterus. The couple met with congressmen to increase awareness of embryo donation for adoption. They also spoke against destroying embryos for research.

"As much as we're out there with our children and their history and story, every day there's people that don't know about" embryo adoption, Janet Mason said, adding that, although she is a physician, she wasn't aware of the option until she heard about it on a Christian radio broadcast.

"A lot of politicians don't understand that this is an option; they were calling them 'leftovers,'" she said. "My twins are not leftovers. They were embryos that didn't have a place."

Allison M. Heinrichs can be reached at aheinrichs@tribweb.com or (412) 380-5607.
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July 28, 2005(CBS) This article was written by Elissa K. Zirinsky.On May 24, President Bush invited 21 families to a White House ceremony and said each of them had "answered the call to ensure that our society's most vulnerable members are protected and defended at every stage of life."

What exactly did these families do to merit such high praise from the president?

These families had adopted embryos left over from other couples' attempts to conceive through in vitro fertilization. They came to the White House to support the position that frozen embryos are human lives worth saving.

Eighty-four families have adopted frozen embryos in this country. For some, like those who came to the White House in May, this is at least partly a political act; for others, it's a way to have a pregnancy and a child. But embryo adoption is now a dramatic side story to the intense debate surrounding the estimated 400,000 frozen embryos in the U.S. today.

Since 1998, when Dr. James Thomson at the University of Wisconsin developed a way to isolate and grow embryonic stem cells, there has been a new component to this nation's moral discussion about when life begins. Derived from human embryos, embryonic stem cells can theoretically divide indefinitely and develop into specialized human cells to act as a repair system for the body. But this stem cell research would require the destruction of frozen embryos in the research process. And that is the crux of the current stem cell debate: Do we destroy potential lives to look for ways to save existing lives? Is a frozen embryo made of a few cells a life that society ought to protect?

Some people have taken their opposition to destroying embryos to extraordinary lengths -- they have "rescued" them and tried to demonstrate that they are "pre-born" children.

Couples like Paige and Stuart Faulk of Alexandria, Virginia brought their children to the White House in an effort to show what an embryo, not used for research, can become -- their two-year-old daughter, Noelle.

Noelle is a "Snowflake Baby" born through embryo adoption. The term "Snowflake" -- created by the first adoption agency to arrange embryo adoptions, Nightlight Christian Adoptions -- highlights the uniqueness of each embryo. The label can also be attributed to the fact that each of these children's lives started, well, frozen.

Noelle's parents experienced infertility for over five years. They took the usual measures to conceive both naturally and then through in vitro fertilization, only to learn that Paige, her mother, had premature ovarian menopause. During in vitro, the Faulks made it clear to their doctors that they did not want them to over-fertilize and freeze embryos; any that were created, were implanted in Paige's uterus. Unfortunately, none survived. When the prospect of getting pregnant and giving birth seemed bleak, Paige said she, "prayed about [conventional] adoption." Then she happened to turn on the car radio on her way to work and heard Marlene Strege on the Christian program, "Focus on the Family."

Marlene and John Strege were the first couple to adopt frozen embryos, and in 1998, their daughter Hannah was the first snowflake baby born. In testimony before a subcommittee of the House Committee on Government Reform in July 2001, Marlene spoke out against the use of embryos in stem cell research, and said, "Any woman can carry an embryo; tissue or blood matching is not necessary. As embryo adoption proliferates in the wake of this controversy, the 'excess supply' of embryos will evaporate."


She advocated research using other types of stem cells that do not require the destruction of embryos. "We plead with Congress not to force millions of American like me to violate our consciences and participate in another form of genocide, especially when the advances possible with other stem cells are not nearly exhausted."

Immediately moved by Marlene's story, Paige and Stuart knew embryo adoption would be their way of starting a family. Through Nightlight Christian Adoptions, the Faulks were matched with a couple in Colorado who had excess embryos from attempts at in vitro fertilization. The embryo adoption process is much like a birth adoption where the genetic family screens prospective parents. In other words, the family in Colorado handpicked Paige and Stuart to birth and parent their frozen embryos.

The Faulks adopted eight embryos from that family in Colorado; four of those embryos were thawed and two survived the thaw. One of those two embryos, a six-day old cluster of cells, would result in the birth of their daughter. After five frozen years, Noelle was born on May 22, 2003.

The four remaining embryos were thawed the following March. Though weak, all survived the thaw and were implanted, but none resulted in a pregnancy.

Paige said, "I disagree with using frozen embryos for science, because I believe it's killing a life," as she pointed to her young child. "I don't believe that we need to kill something in order to find ways of repairing or fixing other things, and that we can continue to use the gifts that God has given us."

While arguments continue in many arenas in this country, the issue seems simple for Paige and Stuart: life begins at conception, and any frozen embryo destroyed in science is a life that is killed. When one's daughter was once one of those embryos, it does not appear to be that difficult to understand. As Paige said, "It is not our place to decide when life is life. Our faith beliefs do play a part in our decisions on those issues." She also noted, "We're just Christians trying to do what we believe in."

In fact, faith has played a large part in the embryo adoption process for many people. After all, Nightlight Adoptions is a non-profit Christian organization, and on its Web site says, "The Bible talks about us being 'adopted into God's family.' Moses was adopted by the Pharoah's daughter," and then continues to write about the possibility of embryo adoption, describing embryos as, "Pre-born children waiting -- waiting."

But, there is another side to embryo adoption, one that transcends religious identity and avoids the political debate about life, even if that proves to be difficult. For some women, embryo adoption is just their way of fulfilling the dream of pregnancy and childbirth. It is also an affordable option, compared to the extensive fees involved in traditional adoptions.


Susan and Bruce Lindeman of Richmond, Virginia dealt with infertility for seven years. Five years of treatment and three rounds of in vitro fertilization later, they were drained emotionally and financially. In the spring of 2002, they discussed the option of using donor eggs, as Susan's eggs had deteriorated over the years with age. This would have cost the Lindemans another $25,000 after already spending over $100,000 on previous infertility treatments.

Susan was very active on the Web site IVFconnections.com, and happened to come across a posting on a bulletin board from a couple with extra embryos to donate. The couple, Glenda and Scott Lyon, had one child conceived naturally and a set of twins conceived through in vitro. The Lyon family was complete and by July 2002, Glenda and Scott agreed to help the Lindemans achieve similar good fortune.

Instead of going through an agency, the two families arranged the adoption independently, with a private attorney drawing up the necessary legal papers. Within three months, the embryos were over-nighted to Virginia from a clinic in Minneapolis. Of the 14 embryos transported, six were thawed and three survived the thaw. On July 1, 2003, Susan gave birth to boy-and-girl twins, Jack and Chase.

The two families have joined forces to help other couples start families and experience pregnancies as simply and inexpensively as possible. This is the idea behind MiraclesWaiting.org where Glenda Lyons serves as Treasurer and Susan Lindeman is Public Relations Director. It is a Web site for people looking to put excess embryos up for adoption -- especially those who want varying degrees of contact with the receiving couples. As Susan said, "There are a growing number of people out there that would be willing to donate if they knew the outcome."

More importantly, the people behind the Web site understand the financial burden those struggling with infertility have experienced. It is meant to reduce costs and, as Susan noted, "to give people the opportunity to meet each other and work things out on their own terms." Susan makes sure to note that the Web site is not affiliated with any religion and is a neutral ground to help people create families.

Susan and her husband have also tried to avoid any involvement in the political dialogue surrounding embryo adoption. "We do not have a political agenda," Susan said, "We would like to think that folks that have embryos frozen would be willing to give other people who can't start a family a chance to start one. But we understand not everyone will be comfortable with that."

With the number of excess embryos created and frozen across the country rising with every round of IVF, Paige Faulk believes people should know embryo adoption is a viable option and said, "we would like to see the embryos gets adopted into families like ours that are infertile." Susan said, "Different people will talk about embryos and about whether they're life or not life. What people choose to do with their frozen embryos are their personal feelings."



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Here's a link to EA/ED sites http://hannahsprayer.org/board/index...T&f=81&t=8732&

Let me explain a little about the differences between EA and ED. With EA you'll go thru the process of a typical standard adoption with home studies, background checks, references, creating a profile for the genetic family to look thru...... Typically with ED you'll sign a consent form at your clinic that says you'll care for any children that are born and they (in embryo form and living children) are your responsibility. For us, ED was a much quicker way to get started. We also prefered it, because we didn't have to have contact with the genetic family (GF). It has it's drawbacks tho too since you have limited information with the gf and don't have the option to contact them. Because a good number of people who deliver and raise snowflakes feel like this is like any other type of adoption - therefore they'll let them know they're adopted. So ED potentially creates the inability to answer questions because of the limited info. With EA you'll more than likely have the option to keep in contact with the gf.

The Snowflakes program is a christian based program. There is also the NEDC (National Embryo Donation Center). I'm almost sure you can adopt embryos from them.

There is a lady by the name of Doni Brinkman who is a huge spokeswoman for EA/ED. I believe her son was the 8th baby born from the Snowflakes program (also known as Nightlight Christian Adoption Agency). She, with many other snowflake families, went to Washington for a speech that the President gave on embryonic stem cell research. The group of snowflake families were standing behind them with their precious snowflake children. The Prez even had a birthday part afterward for 2 of the snowflake babies. Doni's son was one of the two. Here is a link to her site. http://www.jimanddoni.com/Adoption/S...bout/About.asp

I'd like to hear where in the process you are. Again, please contact me if you have any questions.

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I should also mention that if you visit the Hannah's Prayer website you'll find many success stories, a few that didn't have the outcome they wanted, and a few ladies going thru the process right now. I think one or two are actually getting ready for transfers. There's also a lady, Snowflakemommy, who has done a ton of research on EA/ED and all of her posts are good to read. She's the Forum Moderator.
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THANKS SO MUCH FOR THE INFORMATION..... Guess I should have added that my cousin has donated her embryos to me. Would have saved you guys alot of typing but it was very appretiated. I have 8 embryos left over from her IVF cycles and they are done having children. I have spend lots and lots of time with their children and love them like my own already. I am glad that I will know where they came from and where their siblings are.

I was looking for success I guess and information about what to excpect with the drugs they will be putting me on b4. Are there shots? pilz? Are there bad side effects? Just curious i guess
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Oh and so far we are waiting for a doctors apptment on April 19 to talk our decision over with him. As for now I am just waiting and giving Vitex and soy a try while I wait. might as well not waste time waiting
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The drugs that I were Lupron, which shuts down all of your hormones, so that your dr. can control them, estrace, which will thicken the lining of your uterus, and then progesterone in oil, which maintains the pg. The Lupron is what will mess with your emotions. I would cry at the drop of a hat while I was on just that. I can't remember how long I was on it before I started Estrace, but once on that your emotions even out. The Lupron is a subq injection so I was able to do that myself and Estrace is a pill. The progesterone in oil (PIO) is the worst of them all. The oil is thick and hard to inject. That's an intramuscular inj. and can leave welts on your backside. A good trick with it is to numb the area with ice before, warm the filled syringe by holding it in your hands before you inject it (this will thin the oil a bit) and then use heat on the inj site afterwards. In the grand scheme of things (I've been thru all of the inj. possible) an FET is easy (except for those PIO). If you get pg then the PIO shots last until you're about 10 wks. By then your backside will be numb. I don't know if you've had any kind of IM shots before, but there is a chance that you could bleed afterwards. I don't mean to scare you, I just want to prepare you. Your RN will teach you all about how to give inj. and what to do for the inj. site.

I wish you the best of luck with this. Have you had a chance to check out the Hannah's Prayer EA/ED forum. There's a lot of good info and support there.
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