i have heard of him, i think he used to come to san antonio when i was living there and going to church at trinity baptist, who used to have the coolest preacher. buckner fanning....one of the best speakers i have ever heard. i know max lucido is the preacher at one of the church of christ churches there too.
there is one who is also on tv like benny hinn and because of this other man, i will not watch preachers on tv....unless i know who it is and that i at least believe in some of the same things.....
the church is cornerstone (in san antonio) and of course now i am blanking on the man's name the man has published many books and he is at least nationally televised...i have accidentally 'caught' him on tv wherever i have lived when flipping thru cable....my blood is starting to boil just thinking of him. i have only heard him speak a couple of times and i was offended or put off each time.
the last name is haggee. might only be one g or one e. i do not know if it is a nondemominational church, i really don't remember. i was taken to one of his services the first time when i was going to bible study after church in hs or right after. at the time i had started listening to secular music, after almost always listening to christian music and attending many christian concerts.( i will always treasure getting to meet carman and david meece after concerts, as well as petra and degarmo and key. )
well i had started listening to people like metallica, whitesnake, kiss, bonjovi, ect...i still enjoy a very wide range of music.
someone in the church group decided they needed to have an 'intervention' to 'save my soul'--i was going to church on base, where there were preachers from all protestant religions at one service, catholic at another and jewish at another--it was a really neat learning experience, you got to see a southern baptist one sunday, a church of christ another, methodist another week, ect.
we got together (under false pretenses, i might add) and somehow we ended up at cornerstone. the auditorium was pretty full. ended up my name was called and 'hands' were put on me to call the devil out of me, because of the music i listened to. needless to say i walked off the stage and walked out and let the door slam on my way out. fortunately i had driven my own car.
there was a mass exodus that left when i did.....
the next sunday, when i was in the choir loft the preacher made a comment on my disappointing behavior and 'we as a church family' need to pray for my bad ways. not only was this a church where i had known people for years, (at least 4, and that was a long time for an air force brat) not to mention my dad's boss and many of the people who he worked with and for. the preacher also made comments implying that if my dad couldn't 'control' his daughter, then how could he be in charge of the dept that he was in charge of on base. i wish i had done something other than quietly take off my choir robe and put it down on the pew and walk down towards the door to the sanctuary and let the door slam behind me...i had tears streaming, but to this day i am so glad that i did not make some of the comments i might have if it h ad been today.....i have a much more colorful vocabulary and as messed up as my hormones and emotions have been.....
i never recieved an apology for the humilation that i feel i suffered that sunday at church or when i went to the 'intervention'. did i mention that the 'intervention' was televised??
i went to christian and baptist schools for much of elementary until we moved to germany. i accepted Jesus as my savior at a young age and was baptised into the methodist church when i was 13.
i was baptized into the methodist church like i said, partly because the preacher was a dear friend of the family, plus that is the religon that my parents were both raised and married in. as i said i went to christian and baptist schools, so that was close and basically the religion that those schools were as well...
back to haggee..............after the incident at the church that i went to (i have never been back--i started going to trinity about that time and i loved the youth group and the preacher) i had vowed to never go back to or have anything to do with cornerstone. years later.....the first incident happened sometime in 86 or 87, in probably 94 or 95 a friend of mine was being 'drug' to cornerstone. (brian and jennifer were friends who occasionally slept together and of course she got pregnant...he wanted to marry her before she got pregnant, she thought she could do better.....treated him like dirt. he was/and now is again a dear friend of mine who also listened to some interesting music...and he had 'long' hair) jennifer and her mom decided that he was being controlled by his music--ie kiss, judas priest, and that he needed to pay out the nose for this unborn child. jennifer had by this time threatened abortion, and said she didn't want anything to do with the child, a real winner i assure you. Well they took brian to cornerstone--come pray with us and our preacher....well it was televised and on tv haggee 'prayed' that brian ______mentioned him by name, first and last of san antonio, son of ________ and ________ accept his fiscal and emotional responsiblity of this unborn child. and that his soul not be damned even though he listened to the devil's music and made him do things that he had no control over. i was there to give brian moral support and when haggee mentioned his name and the rest of it, he and i both walked out. of course someone had taped it--it was on tv and needless to say both brian and i were livid (at the time jen made alot more--awsome benefits from at&t or swb i can't remember, brian and his family had tried for custody, but they decided to get married instead.....our lives went on, i moved away and we tried to keep in touch, but didn't (ends up jen didn't approve of me) jen and brian were married either right before or after child was born and another son was born 5 years ago. he thought they were happy..
flash forward another 10 years or so.....to last valentines (2004) i got a phone call out of the blue from brian, we caught up to some extent, ended up meeting in san marcos (about half way) for dinner and a drink. well on valentine's jen asked for a divorce...said it wasn't working.....and wanted a divorce. it didn't come out until after they were seperated, and she was complaining about being 'lonely' and wanting to see other people, brian didn't want the kids exposed to another man at that point, it didn't matter what brian said, it ends up she was pregnant with her boss's baby. and had gotten pregnant very close to the time of her asking for the divorce. brian has his kids a couple days a week and loves them, he is great with them. i hope the kids know how great their dad is
i am soo sorry this has ended up so long, and i know it is not what you were asking when you sent this post, i don't think hinn is the same type as haggee is, BUT please listen with an open heart and open mind. God gave us one to think with and to form opinions. in my heart of hearts i have forgiven the people who dragged me to that 'intervention' and perhaps have 'forgiven' haggee for his part in all of it--his physical church consists of at least 2000 a service, so it is not like he knew who i was or who brian was. i would like to say i have forgiven the preacher at what i thought for several years was my church home, but as bitter as i still am after almost 20 years i wonder about that one...that is something i need to pray and think about for myself.
if hinn is someone whose sermons you can get something from or if his healings (i think i have the right guy) will help you out in where you are in your life, i am happy for you and go with God, but in the back of your mind, and that was given to us from the Almighty when he created us in His image, if there is stuff that doesn't sound right or he is putting down or critizing others and 'damning them to hell' please look else where for fellowship with a church family.
whew.........................that was long.....i do have a tendency to ramble, but i think i more or less told what i wanted to, thank you for listening.....Lisa
Hey Lisa, I'm listening and read all three of your posts. The reason I asked was that Hinn was here in town this weekend, and I went with my girlfriend, her two beautiful children, and her mother. Her son, has a rare form of MS, (MPS), I believe it's called (now you know why it is considered rare), her daughter, deaf, ages 5 and 3 respectively. Anyway, that was very courageous of you to post and share all of this. I am so very sorry that whole thing happened to you! I go to a few of the televised conferences around the country, but I feel for you, wow, I'm so sorry that happened to you. You're talking about John Hagee, I totally understand where you're coming from there... Max Lucado is awesome, in my opinion, all of his books have a lot of positive things to say. The only thing I will say about religion and the question I posed is that I believe that some of these "preachers" DO go a bit too far, by saying that, I mean that one has to be careful what ministry, if they chose to do so, they want to receive and believe in. I am a very much more "spiritual" individual. Like you, which is a total coincidence, I grew up in a Methodist church as well, that was also the religon that my parents were both raised and married in. I do not watch Benny Hinn, and in fact, my girlfriend and I both the other night were saying tio each other how we thought it was "corny" how he behaves, but I have to say that after attending his conference, it was very soothing, and beautiful, but to me, that's church for you. When he said to place our hands on the area of our bodies where we were sick, I placed one on my reproductive tummy, and my lower back, the rest is history. Re: forgiveness, the act of doing so opens the dorr to abundant living and I believe, wholeness from A LOT of negative emotions we are caused for and from whatever source or reason. Your "bitterness" you mention, is to be expected, I most likely would have been to I pray that you will be able to walk in your Freedom and a Greater Annointing from what you experienced. This past year, I can tell you that I finally learned, although I work at it every day of my life, that in learning forgiveness, can lead us ALL to living our lives' to the fullest.
Thank you for your suggestions, believe me, I do not have anything to do with any ministry who "damns" people to hell. Not my thing!
Do you believe that I listened with an open heart and open mind? You deserve someone to listen to you, whether here or in your life offboard. You know what, NO worries if you felt your posts were "long", seriously, you expressed yourself very well, and if it helped you get some feelings out then my dear, I believe you succeeded...relax...take it easy, thanks for sharing what you did. Take good care
I am so glad you had a wonderful experience this weekend...
It is amazing how enlightened or blessed you can feel after hearing a sermon that you can believe in..
I was going to publicly apolgize for kind of 'hijacking' your thread. I was almost moved to tears with your response...
I know that one of the factors that I have let slack in my life is going to church..I had found one that I liked, but then I didn't really like something that the church did or that the board did, I wish there had been some explanation of why a preacher whom I would get up extra early for on Sunday was let go, one week I get an email saying that he is up for 'head' minister, then i get an email saying he was no longer there.
I have noticed however that the church I think I have gotten the most out of in Austin is moving....this is a very good thing. I would get up early, so that i could go to the early service-I usually work on sundays...and I would sometimes find a parking place by the time the last service started...
BUT.....there is a sign, closer to my house and there is progress being made on the church...I am sooooooo excited
I passed the site this evening.....
Thank you again for being so understanding....and letting me get that post out...I really think I have felt a little bit better because of getting that off my chest...
I hope you had a wonderful Easter...and have a great week
Benny Hinn's healing crusades are simply amazing. And the number of salvations that occur at the crusades he does in Africa and India and the like are mind-boggling. I believe with all my heart that God works through him to perform miracles. I think the bad press that he gets is simply because he's human, and because Satan wants to stop the work of God through him. As far as "his style," it looks weird, but it "feels" real, if you know what I mean.
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Lisa, no tears, unless they're happy or cleansing I pray you find a good Bible - based church that meets your desires and wishes. Best of luck to you, there are many churches that are growing, I believe, due to the fact that we, as human beings, are realizing that the only answer is to seek and obey God, among other beautiful reasons.
Shiphrah, I agree, after I came home from this conference, I learned to "never say never". I said not too long ago, 'I'll never watch him on tv or go see him"... Yep, I know what you mean far as "his style," it looks weird, but it "feels" real, and oh so real it was this weekend. He is supposedly going to Iran soon, due to a lot of bad press he did get, and he got a lot unfortunately. Next Feb, he is going to Isreal. He asked to place our hands on every area of our body that needed healing, placed mine on my reproductive area and my lower back, and at the end, he shouted that someone had been healed of Diabetes, lower back pain, and my mouth almost dropped, and what was really mind - boggling, is that this PCOS, IR is Diabetes or can be related, which then I was, ok, this guy is REAL. Anywhoo, it just changed my view of him and his "ways" and it taught me a lesson to be learned, don't judge someone by what they "look" like while they're doing their work....
Just all - around good night. I, now, too, believe that God works through him to perform miracles. Satan is a liar, and Satan is right when he says, "oh, you're not healed, no, your docs can't help you, etc.." (think about how I just said that, the healing will happen, because what Satan says is a lie) Benny Hinn's daughter and (son) were there too - beautiful family.
I'm glad you had a good experience at the Benny Hinn conference. I have never been to one of his services, and I never will go. I've heard very negative things about his "ministry" (from reliable sources) and wish people like that were not spokespersons for Christianity. But what can you do. Maybe there is some real faith & ministry in what he does, but it is unfortunate that there is the other crap that goes on too.
Interesting thread.
Lisa, I'm sorry about what you went through when you were younger. People can have the best intentions and it still comes out all wrong. I guess the bottom line is that we're all sinners (and saved only by the Grace of God!) and we just do the best we can. Sometimes we do get off track though, away from what the Bible teaches, and off on our own "hobby horses". I went through a similar situation when I was a teen, being prayed for in a church service. Crazy.
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Has anyone heard of Benny Hinn? 
long answer....bear with me:) 
((Lisa)) 
I pray that you will be able to walk in your Freedom and a Greater Annointing from what you experienced. This past year, I can tell you that I finally learned, although I work at it every day of my life, that in learning forgiveness, can lead us ALL to living our lives' to the fullest. 
Thank You :) 
