Ive been researching like a mad scientist all I can about many of my own symptoms. Ive been looking into many different method and means that might help explain what's going on with my body. My biggest concern is hair loss and for anyone with it happening I know how heartbreaking it can be. Ive discovered by sheer luck something that might make sense to many of you. (takes a deep breath..here I go)
Okay, many of us having gone to our doctors find our hormone levels are normal..but did you know that only 2-3 types are actually tested. Estrone (E1) estradio (E2) and estriol (E3) but there are 24 in addition to those that produce estrogen. So the question remains are we being fully checked to be sure which ones are off balance. Many of us with "normal" hormone levels are insulin resistant and that almost always means "estrogen dominace" a condition that sets the body on tilt when its off. The question I pose to any one of you is can you look at your test results and say you know you've been tested for all 24 and know which one is off?. If your like me you cant and that means perhaps a hormone that is producing too much estrogen is not working properly. Normally the body counter reacts with progesterone but if your body is producing too much estrogen it cant do the job its intended and we have estrogen dominace. With estrogen dominance comes a slew of side effects. Hair loss/growth, weight gain, odd cycles, depression, foggy thinking, reduced sex drive, to just name a few from a long list. Now if there is not a proper balance of estrogen in conjuction with progesterone there can be no successfull pregnancy. So I ask why are doctors not looking into this more closely?. Its not the absolute deficiency of estrogen or progesterone but rather the relative dominance of estrogen that is the main cause of most of our concerns and side effects from PCOS. There are many, to numerous to list reasons that set off this unbalance such as taking in too much soy from commerically raised beef and poultry who feed them hormones so that they "beef up" to make weight for sale. Pesticides on our fruit and vegetables, or from exposure to industrial solvents. But when our bodies go on tilt something has to give..and the direct end result is PCOS. But I found there is a substance that might help many of us who are just like me...its called "DIM" or "Diindolymethane" this substance naturally metabolizes the excess estrogen in our bodies. Therefore lowering the estrogen back to normal allow our bodies a chance to heal itself...set the clock back to the time its supose to be (metaphorically speaking) Ive done some extensive research on this product and Im convienced its worth trying..Someone get ahold of Kit and ask her to do some research on this and lets all take a good hard look at something doctors dont what you to know is out there!.
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wow! ive gotta admit i knew very little of that lol x thnakx
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Estrogen in our body actually is not a single hormone as many think. But combined componets of different estrogens altogether. While a definitive diagnosis can be made through history and physical examinations together with laboratory tests of estrogen and progesterone levels its seldom ever done. Instead, synthetic estrogen such as Premarin or combination synthetic estrogen and synthetic progesterone such as Prempo are all too often passed out like candy. On the premise that symptoms persented are due to estrogen deficiency without any consideration for the progesterone part of the equation. In reality many of us are suffering from estrogen dominance. Progesterone acts as an antagonist to estrogen. For example: estrogen stimulates breast cysts while progesterone protects againist it. Estrogen enhances salt and water retention while progesterone is a natural diuretic.Estrogen and progesterone work in synchronization with each other as checks and balances to achieve hormonal harmony. Some have asked what are the common signs of estrogen dominance..they are
Endometriosis
PMS
Fibrocystic breast tissue
Pre-menopause
PCOS
Fibroids
Breast cancer
These women may at the same time have different degrees of insulin resistance and therefore higher incidence of of type II diabetes. You'll also see high lipid patterns and high triglycerides, LDL and low HDL many test also may show high androgen levels (testosterone)
But standard testing today that is offered usually indicate that a woman with PCOS has plenty of estrogen and since she is still or able to have cycles doctors assume she is still producing progesterone at normal volumes. When in fact she is not and her estrogen levels are off or going off the chart.
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There are many, to numerous to list reasons that set off this unbalance such as taking in too much soy from commerically raised beef and poultry who feed them hormones so that they "beef up" to make weight for sale. Pesticides on our fruit and vegetables, or from exposure to industrial solvents. But when our bodies go on tilt something has to give..and the direct end result is PCOS.
That's a theory I've seen around the boards. In my family PCOS goes back generations, way before anything was added to stock to make them "beef up." My grandmother and her sisters grew up in the country, in the moutains, far from factories. They raised EVERYTHING that ate except pintos which they traded for. All three of my grandmother's sisters (now all deceased) had signs of PCOS. On the other side of the family, way back in the family, PCOS symptoms were not uncommon. It's just now we have any tests at all to see what hormones are out of balance. Back then they just were told they had "female problems." I think PCOS is an age old problem, still not completely understood. The one thing I know is that it's been in my family for generations.
Someone get ahold of Kit and ask her to do some research on this and lets all take a good hard look at something doctors dont what you to know is out there!.
You've already pm'd me on this, and I've responded... "Kit" (aka KAT) has already posted TONS of research both here in the RESEARCH ARTICLES forum, and over at www.INSIDEPCOS.com. Both areas have search functions, or you can use GOOGLE to 'search the site' and highlight relevant terms.
PubMed being one of the best - and anyone can use it. It will also give you contact information for the top researchers IN THE WORLD.
Lastly, when posting information like that in the OP, please cite sources of the information. You mentioned that your theories are based on reasearch...please include the links to that research for each major point.
Ladies, if/when you choose to talk to your medical team about this, it helps to demonstrate where the information comes from - moreover, it gives the doctors a starting point.
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Instead, synthetic estrogen such as Premarin or combination synthetic estrogen and synthetic progesterone such as Prempo are all too often passed out like candy.
Well said!! I was on massive hormone doses that my endo was absolutely floored. My pharmacist used to ask if it was a mistake and that normally you would give such high doses to cancer patients!! Bravo!
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When I attend a consultant, or even my GP...I always print off any researched items I find and take it to them. Usually they are happy to see that i am trying to be positive and proactive about my situation. Please don't just go to your medical teams and spout off information without providing a source, it won't help you, it'll get your consultants back up, and you'll just end up looking dippy and unprepared.
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37, diag 1993 - textbook case! tried; Dianette*Met*Provera.Now back on Spiro, & taking; Atracand for high BP*Evening Primrose Oil*Milk Thistle*Cinnamon*Agnus Castus*Multivitamin + Minerals with Probiotic*St Johns Wort*Glucosamine*
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Well said!! I was on massive hormone doses that my endo was absolutely floored. My pharmacist used to ask if it was a mistake and that normally you would give such high doses to cancer patients!! Bravo!
