MAY TURTLES & MUTANTS - The Cysterhood of The Traveling Turtle Pants - Part 3 - Page 4

supermouse · 05-08-2008, 04:10 PM

Can't shake these dang headaches. When I ovulated with the trigger back in February, I had these headaches starting around 8dpo, maybe a day or two earlier, and they lasted into my period. I know I get headaches when my e2 crashes, which it must have since I ovulated. However, I've been headachey, for the past 3 days. I suppose it could be allergy related.

Anyway, I hope it's not just PMS headaches that I'll have for the next 10 days. That would really suck---to have a headache for two weeks and then get AF. Or worse, have AF show up at 8dpo, and the headaches that preclude it have started earlier because my luteal phase blows. Im only taking tylenol, which doesn't really help, JUST IN CASE Im getting pg. I know that if there is an embryo, it's not implanted yet, and it probably doesn't matter what I take today.

Does anyone know if there's a correlation between progesterone level and headaches? I'll go google it and see if I can find anything.

randi_80 · 05-08-2008, 04:10 PM

Ladies, Today has been crazy at work. Sorry I haven't been on much!! I have been thinking about you though....if that counts.

PCOSDC · 05-08-2008, 04:19 PM

Amy: headaches are an early pg sign. Also I've read that Advil (ibuprofin) can interfere with implantation so don't take any of that. I too have been battling a headache for over a week now. I'm not sure if maybe AF is on her way or what!

Steph: I've been voting for your bag.

supermouse · 05-08-2008, 04:27 PM

Well, I did some research and there is no correlation between progesterone levels and headaches. it's all about the estrogen. I already knew I was prone to estrogen-withdrawal headaches. Every month (while on bcp) when it was placebo week, I'd have headaches/migraines which would start maybe the day before AF, and last until I took the next real pill.

Apparently, the magic number is 40-50pg/ml---however, you only get the headache if your E2 drops below this AFTER a sustained priming phase. In normal people, there is an e2 priming phase while follicles mature, then it drops---but then it recovers and then drops again right at AF, if no fertilization.

While this particular series of headaches that Im having may have nothing to do with hormones, what Im afraid of is that my e2 dropped post-o, like it should have---but didn't/can't recover like in most women, because I never produce enough of it on my own anyway. If that is really true (and Im just positing a theory here) that would mean my e2 is lower than normal during my luteal phase---now I have to find out if low e2 at this time could prevent a pg from occurring. Don't they give e2 to women during an IVF cycle? Back to google.

Thanks, Kristy, but I get headaches frequently enough that I would never assume that it means early pg. It's too early for implantation, let alone any other symptoms.

supermouse · 05-08-2008, 04:33 PM

Well, low E2 in luteal phase may or may not lead to preclinical pregnancy loss. Maybe I'll call the RE and ask about this. Im sure they'll very kindly answer my question with " Dr. P only gives progesterone supplements and he's been doing this for 20yrs so he knows all about it and don't worry your pretty little head." I'm almost positive that e2 supps are given during IVF.....

randi_80 · 05-08-2008, 04:38 PM

Amy-- Just a thought.....could you take soy??

supermouse · 05-08-2008, 04:43 PM

http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/den115v1

here's a very recent article stating that they don't see a difference between pg rates in IVF women who get e2 + p4 during luteal phase vs. women who only get p4.

Randi--maybe I could take soy. I was told that it was ok to drink soy milk or eat soy based products while taking Gonal F---just to avoid soy while taking Clomid. Regardless, the soy avoidance was so there would be no interference with ovulation. Since o has occurred, at least drinking or eating soy should be fine. I'd be wary of taking a soy pill because I've never found one that didn't also have other stuff in it, which might be bad to take at this time. maybe I'll buy some soy milk on my way home from work and go to town.

monaisttc · 05-08-2008, 05:47 PM

hi everyone i just wanted to share this with you all

http://www.miscarriageassociation.or...tion/video.htm

PCOSDC · 05-08-2008, 05:48 PM

Amy: I love how your reasoning out thing with yourself and via posting it. LOL!

hela · 05-08-2008, 05:49 PM

Kristy thanks for the hug, all gratefully received

Steph glad you talked to your brother even if it gets you no where it gets your opinion heard.

Amy sorry for the headache. As a completely off topic thing and because you are our mouse guru - is it rats that have hairless tails and mice have hair? I have chocolate mice I put on my cakes but noticed today they are a slightly different design and it looks like the tails on them are sortof ribbed looking and I thought that was rats (completely pointless q i know)

Mona how are you getting on, any AF yet?

Ursula I'd send you one but not so sure it'd be any good by the time it got there

Randi don't work to hard

I feel all emotional today and needy, I've been talking to DH on the phone and being a right pain

monaisttc · 05-08-2008, 05:51 PM

hi hela i am soo emotional today too. i called off work cuz i have a major headache

kristy i didnt know that about ibprouend i dont know how to spell that. geez i would took tylenol.

amy hope you caught that eggie.

nothing new just depressed i been eating everything like crazy. boo!!

supermouse · 05-08-2008, 08:26 PM

Hela--both rats and mice have SOME hair on their tails, but mice have kind of an all-over soft fuzzy down. Rats have the ribbed looking tails, with sparser hair on them. Rat tails are not slimy or even cold unless the rat has been swimming or something. (i have two pet rats and their tails are very smooth and usually rat body temp to touch). At least with domesticated rats (lab rats, pet varieties) rat fur and mouse fur is equally soft to the touch. Wild rodents probably have coarser hair, plus if they are living in garbage, they wouldnt' be nice to cuddle.

winnie0366 · 05-08-2008, 10:48 PM

AMY - You silly goose! You weren't annoying me! (You never have.) Hopefully I will have some more answers after I see the OB tomorrow. I've been having some discomfort tonight so I'm feeling pretty ready! / Sorry about the headaches... I agree with KRISTY: It's a hoot to see you answer your own inquiries!!

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supermouse Mutant cyster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Central MA Posts: 1,747 My Mood: Points: 941.97 Bank: 36,461.34 Total Points: 37,403.31 Donate	Can't shake these dang headaches. When I ovulated with the trigger back in February, I had these headaches starting around 8dpo, maybe a day or two earlier, and they lasted into my period. I know I get headaches when my e2 crashes, which it must have since I ovulated. However, I've been headachey, for the past 3 days. I suppose it could be allergy related. Anyway, I hope it's not just PMS headaches that I'll have for the next 10 days. That would really suck---to have a headache for two weeks and then get AF. Or worse, have AF show up at 8dpo, and the headaches that preclude it have started earlier because my luteal phase blows. Im only taking tylenol, which doesn't really help, JUST IN CASE Im getting pg. I know that if there is an embryo, it's not implanted yet, and it probably doesn't matter what I take today. Does anyone know if there's a correlation between progesterone level and headaches? I'll go google it and see if I can find anything. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 1 dog "Ivy" TTC since 5/07, DX PCOS 10/07 Clomid: Sept 07, Dec 07, Jan 08 no response Jan/Feb 08 Gonal F/trigger, BFN Mar 08 Gonal F, hyperstim, cysts, bcp Apr/May 08 Gonal F/trigger/IUI (5/4/08)BFN May/June 08 Gonal F/trigger/IUI To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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randi_80 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 416 My Mood: Points: 1,376.11 Bank: 13,513.95 Total Points: 14,890.06 Donate	Ladies, Today has been crazy at work. Sorry I haven't been on much!! I have been thinking about you though....if that counts. __________________ Me -- 27 DH -- 35 TTC #1 Diagnosed with PCOS 2001 Prenatal Vitamins Metformin 1500 mg Clomid Cycle #1 Feb '08--BFN Clomid Cycle #2 Mar '08 -- BFP!!! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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PCOSDC Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,721 My Mood: Points: 11,186.08 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 11,186.08 Donate	Amy: headaches are an early pg sign. Also I've read that Advil (ibuprofin) can interfere with implantation so don't take any of that. I too have been battling a headache for over a week now. I'm not sure if maybe AF is on her way or what! Steph: I've been voting for your bag. __________________ Kristy To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Me 28 DH 28 (married my HS sweetheart) Diagnosed 1998 TTC since March 07 Meds: Glumetza, aspirin, B6, prenatal, folic acid Dx LOCAH Dec/07 BFP 12/18/07 - angel baby m/c Jan 07' BFP 04/06/08 - 2nd m/c 04/13/08 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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supermouse Mutant cyster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Central MA Posts: 1,747 My Mood: Points: 941.97 Bank: 36,461.34 Total Points: 37,403.31 Donate	Well, I did some research and there is no correlation between progesterone levels and headaches. it's all about the estrogen. I already knew I was prone to estrogen-withdrawal headaches. Every month (while on bcp) when it was placebo week, I'd have headaches/migraines which would start maybe the day before AF, and last until I took the next real pill. Apparently, the magic number is 40-50pg/ml---however, you only get the headache if your E2 drops below this AFTER a sustained priming phase. In normal people, there is an e2 priming phase while follicles mature, then it drops---but then it recovers and then drops again right at AF, if no fertilization. While this particular series of headaches that Im having may have nothing to do with hormones, what Im afraid of is that my e2 dropped post-o, like it should have---but didn't/can't recover like in most women, because I never produce enough of it on my own anyway. If that is really true (and Im just positing a theory here) that would mean my e2 is lower than normal during my luteal phase---now I have to find out if low e2 at this time could prevent a pg from occurring. Don't they give e2 to women during an IVF cycle? Back to google. Thanks, Kristy, but I get headaches frequently enough that I would never assume that it means early pg. It's too early for implantation, let alone any other symptoms. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 1 dog "Ivy" TTC since 5/07, DX PCOS 10/07 Clomid: Sept 07, Dec 07, Jan 08 no response Jan/Feb 08 Gonal F/trigger, BFN Mar 08 Gonal F, hyperstim, cysts, bcp Apr/May 08 Gonal F/trigger/IUI (5/4/08)BFN May/June 08 Gonal F/trigger/IUI To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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supermouse Mutant cyster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Central MA Posts: 1,747 My Mood: Points: 941.97 Bank: 36,461.34 Total Points: 37,403.31 Donate	Well, low E2 in luteal phase may or may not lead to preclinical pregnancy loss. Maybe I'll call the RE and ask about this. Im sure they'll very kindly answer my question with " Dr. P only gives progesterone supplements and he's been doing this for 20yrs so he knows all about it and don't worry your pretty little head." I'm almost positive that e2 supps are given during IVF..... __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 1 dog "Ivy" TTC since 5/07, DX PCOS 10/07 Clomid: Sept 07, Dec 07, Jan 08 no response Jan/Feb 08 Gonal F/trigger, BFN Mar 08 Gonal F, hyperstim, cysts, bcp Apr/May 08 Gonal F/trigger/IUI (5/4/08)BFN May/June 08 Gonal F/trigger/IUI To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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randi_80 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 416 My Mood: Points: 1,376.11 Bank: 13,513.95 Total Points: 14,890.06 Donate	Amy-- Just a thought.....could you take soy?? __________________ Me -- 27 DH -- 35 TTC #1 Diagnosed with PCOS 2001 Prenatal Vitamins Metformin 1500 mg Clomid Cycle #1 Feb '08--BFN Clomid Cycle #2 Mar '08 -- BFP!!! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

05-08-2008, 04:43 PM	#52 (permalink)
supermouse Mutant cyster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Central MA Posts: 1,747 My Mood: Points: 941.97 Bank: 36,461.34 Total Points: 37,403.31 Donate	http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/den115v1 here's a very recent article stating that they don't see a difference between pg rates in IVF women who get e2 + p4 during luteal phase vs. women who only get p4. Randi--maybe I could take soy. I was told that it was ok to drink soy milk or eat soy based products while taking Gonal F---just to avoid soy while taking Clomid. Regardless, the soy avoidance was so there would be no interference with ovulation. Since o has occurred, at least drinking or eating soy should be fine. I'd be wary of taking a soy pill because I've never found one that didn't also have other stuff in it, which might be bad to take at this time. maybe I'll buy some soy milk on my way home from work and go to town. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 1 dog "Ivy" TTC since 5/07, DX PCOS 10/07 Clomid: Sept 07, Dec 07, Jan 08 no response Jan/Feb 08 Gonal F/trigger, BFN Mar 08 Gonal F, hyperstim, cysts, bcp Apr/May 08 Gonal F/trigger/IUI (5/4/08)BFN May/June 08 Gonal F/trigger/IUI To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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hela English cyster Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Winchester, UK Posts: 1,017 My Mood: Points: 2,665.25 Bank: 30,754.14 Total Points: 33,419.40 Donate	Kristy thanks for the hug, all gratefully received Steph glad you talked to your brother even if it gets you no where it gets your opinion heard. Amy sorry for the headache. As a completely off topic thing and because you are our mouse guru - is it rats that have hairless tails and mice have hair? I have chocolate mice I put on my cakes but noticed today they are a slightly different design and it looks like the tails on them are sortof ribbed looking and I thought that was rats (completely pointless q i know) Mona how are you getting on, any AF yet? Ursula I'd send you one but not so sure it'd be any good by the time it got there Randi don't work to hard I feel all emotional today and needy, I've been talking to DH on the phone and being a right pain __________________ Me 39, Him 44 Doggy furbaby - Milly DX PCOS Jan 06 DX with Antiphospholipid Syndrome March 08 Metformin 3000mg, Aspirin 75mg M/c twin girls at 22w 3d August 07 M/c at 7w April 08 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Read my blog: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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monaisttc im soo in love Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: california Posts: 214 My Mood: Points: 2,195.24 Bank: 420.46 Total Points: 2,615.71 Donate	hi hela i am soo emotional today too. i called off work cuz i have a major headache kristy i didnt know that about ibprouend i dont know how to spell that. geez i would took tylenol. amy hope you caught that eggie. nothing new just depressed i been eating everything like crazy. boo!! __________________ Mona 27 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Anthony 28 Married 11/17/07 1000 mg metformin Prenatals 3/27/08 ~ BFP!!! it was a suprise to us. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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supermouse Mutant cyster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Central MA Posts: 1,747 My Mood: Points: 941.97 Bank: 36,461.34 Total Points: 37,403.31 Donate	Hela--both rats and mice have SOME hair on their tails, but mice have kind of an all-over soft fuzzy down. Rats have the ribbed looking tails, with sparser hair on them. Rat tails are not slimy or even cold unless the rat has been swimming or something. (i have two pet rats and their tails are very smooth and usually rat body temp to touch). At least with domesticated rats (lab rats, pet varieties) rat fur and mouse fur is equally soft to the touch. Wild rodents probably have coarser hair, plus if they are living in garbage, they wouldnt' be nice to cuddle. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 1 dog "Ivy" TTC since 5/07, DX PCOS 10/07 Clomid: Sept 07, Dec 07, Jan 08 no response Jan/Feb 08 Gonal F/trigger, BFN Mar 08 Gonal F, hyperstim, cysts, bcp Apr/May 08 Gonal F/trigger/IUI (5/4/08)BFN May/June 08 Gonal F/trigger/IUI To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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winnie0366 Always learning... Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: I be where I'm at Posts: 965 My Mood: MyEbay : Points: 29,675.15 Bank: 17,711.46 Total Points: 47,386.60 Donate	AMY - You silly goose! You weren't annoying me! (You never have.) Hopefully I will have some more answers after I see the OB tomorrow. I've been having some discomfort tonight so I'm feeling pretty ready! / Sorry about the headaches... I agree with KRISTY: It's a hoot to see you answer your own inquiries!!