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Old 07-02-2005, 01:42 AM   #1 (permalink)
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While listening to the news report about the Ten Commandments not being allowed in the courts, the reporter stated that certain people - such as Muslims, atheists, etc. would be offended to see such a religious artifact in a public building. The statement got me to to thinking - isn't the Ten Commandments in the Quran? I really am not familiar with your religion and am curious.

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Old 07-05-2005, 11:19 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I always thought that the ten commandments was strictly from a Jewish origin. I know that Christians live by it also of course. I think people have a problem with the ten commandments being displayed b/c it violates a separation of church and state. There are so many religions that don't have the ten commandments. They have other religious artifacts instead.
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Old 07-05-2005, 02:16 PM   #3 (permalink)
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hi laurel, and rebecca
well first off muslims believe that the original message jesus (who we believe is a prophet not the son of god or god himself) came with was the same message that moses, abraham and many other prophets then finaly muhammed came with. So even though much of the message that these prophets came with is either lost or changed (IMO besides muhammed because God said He would preserve the qur'an) you'll find a lot of similarities between the 3 religions (judaism, christianity and islam) because the original message was from the same God.
while muslims dont have the ten commandments the same as christians (ie: thou shalt not ...) i believe the same or similar commandments do exist.
can u tell me exactly what the ten commandments are (i have learned them but i forget) and ill try to find where the islamic equivalent is in the Qur'an and/or sunnah (example from the prophet)
god willing some other muslim cysters will be here to answer you too

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i'm trying to determine if there is anything in the Quran similar to the Ten Commandents in the Old Testament, particularly the line "thou shalt not kill." i have been using search functions on several Quran translation sites to no avail. thank you very much

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Praise be to Allaah.

Thank you for your question, which shows an interest in the Qu’ran. We are happy to answer your question here.

There are in the Qur’an certain aayaat (verses) which some scholars call the verses of the Ten Commandments, because they include ten important commandments given by Allaah to mankind. These aayaat are to be found in two passages of the Qur’an.

The first is in Soorat al-An’aam, where Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say: ‘Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited you from: Join not anything in worship with him; be good and dutiful to your parents; kill not your children because of poverty – We provide sustenance for you and for them; come not near to al-fawaahish (shameful sins, illegal sexual intercourse, etc.), whether committed openly or secretly; and kill not anyone whom Allaah has forbidden, except for a just cause (according to Islamic law). This He has commanded you that you may understand.

And come not near to the orphan’s property, except to improve it, until he (or she) attains the age of full strength; and give full measure and full weight with justice. We burden not any person, but that which he can bear. And whenever you give your word (i.e., judge between men or give evidence, etc.), say the truth even if a near relative is concerned, and fulfil the Covenant of Allaah. This He commands you, that you may remember.

And, verily, this (i.e., Allaah’s commandments mentioned in the above two verses) is my Straight Path, so follow it, and follow not (other) paths, for they will separate you away from His Path. This He has ordained for you that you may become al-muttaqoon (the pious).” [al-An’aam 6:151-153]

The second passage occurs in Soorat al-Israa’, and may be considered as a commentary on the passage quoted above. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him. And that you be dutiful to your parents. If one or them or both of them attain old age in your life, say not to them a word of disrespect, nor shout at them, but address them in terms of honour.

And lower unto them the wing of submission and humility through mercy, and say: ‘My Lord! Bestow on them Your Mercy as they did bring me up when I was small.’

Your Lord knows best what is in your inner-selves. If you are righteous, then, verily, He is ever Most-Forgiving to those who turn unto Him again and again in obedience, and in repentance.

And give to the kindred his due and to the poor and to the wayfarer. But spend not wastefully (your wealth) in the manner of a spendthrift.

Verily, spendthrifts are brothers of the shayaateen (devils), and the Shaytaan (Satan) is ever ungrateful to his Lord.

And if you turn away from them (kindred, poor, wayfarers, etc. whom We have ordered you to give their rights, but if you have no money at the time they ask you for it) and you are awaiting a mercy from your Lord for which you hope, then, speak unto them a soft kind word (i.e., Allaah will give to me and I will give to you).

And let not your hand be tied (like a miser) to your neck, not stretch it forth to its utmost reach (like a spendthrift), so that you become blameworthy and in severe poverty.

Truly, your Lord enlarges the provision for whom He wills and straitens (for whom He wills). Verily, He is Ever All-Knower, All-Seer of His slaves.

And kill not your children for fear of poverty. We provide for them and for you. Surely the killing of them is a great sin.

And come not near to unlawful sexual intercourse. Verily, it is a faahishah [i.e., anything that transgresses its limits (a great sin)], and an evil way (that leads one to Hell unless Allaah forgives him).

And do not kill anyone which Allaah has forbidden, except for a just cause. And whoever is killed (intentionally with hostility and aggression and not by mistake), We have given his heir the authority [to demand qisaas – Law of Equality in punishment – or to forgive, or to take Diya (blood money)]. But let him not exceed limits in the matter of taking life (i.e., he should not kill except the killer only). Verily, he is helped (by the Islamic law).

And come not near to the orphan’s property except to improve it, until he attains the age of full strength. And fulfil (every) covenant. Verily! The covenant will be questioned about.

And give full measure when you measure, and weigh with a balance that is straight. That is good (advantageous) and better in the end.

And follow not (O man, i.e., say not, or do not or witness not, etc.) that of which you have no knowledge. Verily! The hearing, and the sight, and the heart, of each of those you will be questioned by Allaah.

And walk not on the earth with conceit and arrogance. Verily, you can neither rend nor penetrate the earth, nor can you attain a stature like that of the mountains in height.

All the bad aspects of these (the above mentioned things) are hateful to your Lord.

This is part of al-hikmah (wisdom, good manners and high character, etc.) which your Lord has inspired to you (O Muhammad). And set not up with Allaah any other ilaah (god) lest you should be thrown into Hell, blameworthy and rejected (from Allaah’s mercy).” [al-Israa’ 17:23-39]

Perhaps after enjoying reading these verses, you will have a better idea of the Qur’aan than before, and this will be the beginning of a fundamental change in your life, the start of your way to Islam. May Allaah guide and help you always. Peace be upon those who follow true guidance..

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Old 07-05-2005, 02:20 PM   #4 (permalink)
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This looks pretty good!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments
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Old 07-05-2005, 02:28 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I have no problem with the 10 Commandments, as we live by them too. And I would probably be happy to see them in more places.
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Old 07-05-2005, 02:33 PM   #6 (permalink)
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thanks for that article rebecca very informative and interesting!
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What a beautiful thread. It is so wonderful that we cysters can discuss such things in a loving and supportive venue.

I lived in a muslim-majority country for many years and I came to learn that we are not all that different - Muslims, Jews, and Christians. I wish the rest of the world would learn that as well.

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...I came to learn that we are not all that different - Muslims, Jews, and Christians. I wish the rest of the world would learn that as well.

Blessed Be To All.
Agreed.
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Old 07-05-2005, 03:06 PM   #9 (permalink)
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you're so right!OT: wow you've been married 20 years! congrats thats amazing! i hope you get your last little miracle! stranger things have happened (like 56yr old grandmothers having twins! lol)
anyway i agree its a great thread i really injoy these interfaith discussion ones
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Thanks for this thread. It has all been very interesting and informative.

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Thank you for your responses!

http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=Deu&chapter=5&version=nltp&Go.x=2 3&Go.y=12

This is Ten Commandments. I am thinking what I will do is print out the information Em has and print out this version, and compare the two. Just by reading them it seems that they are very similar with some changes/additions.

I agree with Amarrah- I would like to see them in more places. Not for a religious reason, but mainly for the moral reason. The similiarities between the two basically boil down to a high moral standard that we should expect from all, whether they consider themselves religious or not.

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I always thought that the ten commandments was strictly from a Jewish origin. I know that Christians live by it also of course. I think people have a problem with the ten commandments being displayed b/c it violates a separation of church and state. There are so many religions that don't have the ten commandments. They have other religious artifacts instead.
Please read the following and point out where it states "separation of church and state".

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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Laural-totally agree!! i dont think that these things come down to religion, i mean religious or not it should be a basic moral code for humanity 'dont kill, dont steal, dont commit adultery, honour mother and father etc.'
I can understand seperating church and state because not everyone agrees with the religious teachings. But i think the ten commandments is a pleasent medium, the state says dont kill dont steal etc etc and the church says these things but puts other aspets.
Anyway i talk too much lol hope i made some sense!
glad the info helped, www.islam-qa.com is a great website if anyone ever had questions, but then again you're always more than welcome to ask us muslim sister cysters
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constance-im not american so i dont know the constitution well, but is that really the one they say is seperate church and state???
it says freedom of speech and practise of religion!
oh well i suppose its just such a debatable topic and there probably are people who'd be offended by it.
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