Natural Progesterone

mtv_d · 07-24-2002, 04:45 PM

I have been reading the therapies, and I am shocked that Natural Progesterone Injections are hadrly any place on here.

I use the Creighton Model Natural Family Planning system for natural birth control (it's 99.9% effective) and for the treatment of polycystic ovaries. Polycycstic ovaries are also caused by low progesterone production. When you are fertile, your body should produce progesterone in order for the egg to release from the ovary, when it doesn't produce progesterone, the egg stays in, causing poycystic ovaries.

I chart my cycle and my fertility mucus build up, including the type of mucus observed. Then on specific days according to my fertility I take natural progesterone injections. It has completely cured my polycystic ovaries, my cycles are noraml and I had zero problems conceiving my child, it only took once.

This Creigton Model Natural Family Planning and Progesterone Treatment was developed by Dr. Hilgers in Omaha NE at the Pope Paul VI Institute. He has trained dcotros nationwide. I suggest you find out if there is Fertlity Care Center near you, that is the name of the place where you can find a Creighton Model Teacher. Learn how to chart, and then have your teacher set you up with a Creighton Model Doctor. You can begin treatment and be cured! This really works. It's worked for hundres of women already!!! It's healthy, safe, natural and totally effective. Get on the web and type in Creighton Model, it will take you to the Fertility Care Center sights and to Dr. Hilger's sight which is the Pope Paul VI Institute.

I was also horrified to read that Dr.'s are prescribing the pill for polycystic ovaries! With polycystic ovaries you are already not ovualting and already hormonally imbalanced, the pill is only going to compound the problem. Even if I didn't have polycystic ovaries I wouldn't touch that darn pill with a 10 ft. pole! Your body is supposed to ovualte and function, you shouldn't shut down a normal functioning process. You wouldn't take a pill to shut down your kidney's would you? Not to mention the fact that the pill and depo cause breast cancer, there is enough evidence to prove it.

In conclusion ladies, look into progesterone therapy and Natural Family Planning and stay away from the pill! If you want a cure, check this information out!

Bertiebugg · 07-24-2002, 04:55 PM

Welcome to the Board!

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I was also horrified to read that Dr.'s are prescribing the pill for polycystic ovaries! With polycystic ovaries you are already not ovualting and already hormonally imbalanced, the pill is only going to compound the problem. Even if I didn't have polycystic ovaries I wouldn't touch that darn pill with a 10 ft. pole! Your body is supposed to ovualte and function, you shouldn't shut down a normal functioning process. You wouldn't take a pill to shut down your kidney's would you? Not to mention the fact that the pill and depo cause breast cancer, there is enough evidence to prove it.

Okay... the pill is so bad yet for some women it gives them a cycle... so that their chances of uterine cancer dont go up! There are some women with PCOS who do O on their own and regularly... and who are not ready to have kids! For women who do not have PCOS well then I give them much respect for using the pill because they are obviously not ready to have children and well I would rather see somebody who is using the pill as bc than abortion as bc... I have known a few that used abortion as bc and well all they did was screw up their body even more then the could have ever!!!

I agree with the fact that bc pills can screw you up even more... I am living proof of that... but you need to remember that everybody is different with what kind of treatments they need....

mtv_d · 07-24-2002, 06:13 PM

Natural Progesterone WILL give you a regular cycle and Will stop the polycystic ovaries. This is the safe alternative other than the pill. Taking the pill stops ovulation, which is not a smart thing to do. This is just common sense.

mtv_d · 07-24-2002, 06:15 PM

If you're not ready to have children you can use Natural Family Planning it's 99.9% effective, because you can ONLY get preganant when you are FERTILE. Since you know exactly when you are fertile with this method, you don't have sex when you're fertile if you don't want to get pregant. It's very simple, safe and totally natural and effective. I don't think it's smart to pump your body full of fake hormones and shut your organs down and confuse them, nothing good can come from that.

Cammie16 · 07-24-2002, 06:31 PM

Teresa,

I'm very happy to hear that you've eliminated the PCOS symptoms from your life.

Please don't assume that it's as easy for everyone as it was for you. The reason PCOS is a syndrome is because Dr's aren't certain what causes it.

It's true that some women have low/no progesterone or a poor FSH to progesterone ratio. But that's not the case for all of the women with PCOS.

If I understand your approach to be "there is an imbalance and women might have better luck by approaching PCOS by balancing their hormones naturally rather than attacking each symptom with synthetic drugs," then you'll find many of us support that.

Certainty is not something the PCOS community is blessed with. Instead we have a great deal of anectodotal evidence without a standard of baseline testing and appropriate treatment options.

I appreciate your information on NFP, and intend to purse the information but this may not be the right choice for everyone.

Thank you for sharing your story about natural progesterone.

What type do you use? (Soy base or yam root?)

Cammie

mtv_d · 07-24-2002, 07:03 PM

I do apologize if I sound rude, I feel that some of you have taken it that way. But I am frustrated with "modern medicine" and "old ways" of attacking problems and the ways in which doctors and drug companies treat women's bodies.
I am very passionate about it, and sometimes I may come across too agressive, but I care so much about women and their health. I honestly believe that any woman with polycystic ovaries can benefit from using Natural Family Planning and Natural Progesterone Treatment.
For our whole lives, we've just accepted what our doctors say, what medical journals say, what everybody else is doing, and taking the drugs that the drug companies push and profit from. I am not saying all drugs are bad, there have been some wonderful breakthroughs and we do need medicine, but they are not all good either.
I just want to encourage woman to think outside the box, to question things, to get back into nature and to challenge the medical main stream. As a philosophy major who challenges much main stream thinking, I am an activist for so many things. This is one of my passions to empower woman to be confident in their bodies, naturally.
I honestly believe that any polycystic ovarian patient could benefit from this. Why not try something new? It's better than what the mainstream is offering. And even if it doesn't work for you, at least you tried something else.
I suport you all in your endevours, and I really just want to help and the solution I offer is so simple, cheap and painless. Again, I apologize if I came off aggressive, I am just such a passionate person and I am one of those young (only 3 years out of college) optomist's who is "out to save the world", ha ha.
God Bless you all in whatever you try.

Bertiebugg · 07-24-2002, 07:33 PM

I might have sounded rude also... but for myself I have tried lots of medications and well nothing has worked too well for me. I have been looking into more natural ways of treatment. My whole point was that some people but all their faith into modern medicine and it works for them. Birth control pills are not bad for everybody. But the idea of something thats not natural added to your body and screwing around with everything in site is not good. I took them for 2 years and I feel like they were poison to me. So I understand your point, but there is other points out there also.

KC1 · 07-24-2002, 10:17 PM

............... how do we get more info on this?......... where does one buy it from? .......... ???? thanks! KC

HISIRISHGEM · 07-25-2002, 12:52 AM

I just thought that I would say that many cysters have talked about the natural progesterone...but as some have said...it doesn't work for everyone...I've used the natural progesterone and though it helped a bit, didn't do anything to get my cycle back, nor anything major. There are also negatives to natural progesterone therapies as well......have you researched where the natural progesterone comes from?? I question putting serum from bugs into my own body. My DH and I researched a bit and its amazing...there are risks to birth control and synthetic hormones....that I know....if you do a search you'll see the posts where I supply that information to cysters...however, theres just as much risk (the natural way) You want to help other women, be there for them, don't be there doctor if you don't know the full effects on each body. Its dangerous telling cysters about a "Cure" that in turn could possibly kill them if they take the wrong (natural remedy) for the wrong problem!!

mtv_d · 07-25-2002, 12:17 PM

The Natural Oil Based Progesterone comes from yam roots or is donated by human woman and goes through a cleaning process. The Dr. that I have gone through treats women nation wide and has had far more success than failure, and none of his patients have ever died or become ill. The key to taking the Progesterone is to time it with your fertility which is why you have to use the Creighton Model Natural Family Planning system. You take the shots in accordance with your post fertility phase, just taking progesterone at randome times in your cycle won't do the trick, it's a timing issue. So, to the person from Milwaukee who wants more information check out the following website:

www.popepaulvi.com

This website will show you all the ways in which "NaPro Technology" (which is what it is called) is used. It also has links to find Creighton Model Teachers in your area so that you can begin charting your cycle. If you click on the "National Hormone Laboratory" link, it will give you the number to the hormone lab (which they can link you to the Nurse Practioner as well) tell them you are a polycystic ovarian woman and you heard about treating it with Natural Progesterone and they can answer your questions. They will help you find a Creighton Model teacher and a participating physcian in your area.

Feel free to send me a private e-mail too.

Good Luck and God Bless to you Ms. Milwaukee.

Oana · 07-25-2002, 12:50 PM

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When you are fertile, your body should produce progesterone in order for the egg to release from the ovary, when it doesn't produce progesterone, the egg stays in, causing poycystic ovaries.

Progesterone is actually produced by the corpus luteum left behind after the egg is ovulated. Supplementing progesterone before ovulation can actually hinder ovulation (see the progestin-only birth control pills, for example).

Also, while bcps do not address the insulin-resistance at the root of PCOS, they can help lower the incresed testosterone many of us have.

Thanks for sharing your experience and good luck to you!
Oana

mtv_d · 07-25-2002, 05:23 PM

Actually, insulin resistance is not necessarily the heart of PCOS for everybody. Myself, both of my sisters (who have PCOS), my mother who had PCOS, and actually a few others that I know who have it are not insulin resitant or diabetic. But, we all have low progesterone. So, that's not true for everybody. My PCOS is a result of low progesterone. So maybe those who have PCOS and are not Insulin Resistant or diabetic should look into their progesterone levels during their cycle. They may be better off trying the Natural Progesterone which has cured me and others. Also, the progesterone helped clear up my skin (lowering testerone levels) and I have also taken spirinolactone in conjunction which kept my skin really clear and stoped hair growth. That may work for somebody else out there too. Just trying to help and offer new suggestions and insights.
Good luck to you all and God Bless.

Oana · 07-25-2002, 06:51 PM

Teresa, make sure you and your family were properly diagnosed as non-IR. Here is a related post which may help.

http://www.soulcysters.net/showthrea...threadid=11019

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My PCOS is a result of low progesterone

I truly believe the ovulatory problems specific to PCOS (IR,high LH..) are what causes the lack of progesterone, and not the other way around. Progesterone is the result, not the trigger, of normal ovulation.

I used natural progesterone cream to induce my last period and I recommended it repeatedly on this board, for AF induction as well as to prevent miscarriage. And it may have a positive effect on testosterone too.

I just don't think it is enough to address all underlying problems in PCOS but I fully agree it can be of great help with many of them.

Good luck to you!
Oana

yistersister · 07-25-2002, 08:38 PM

Ok ladies, I have a question. I have enjoyed the dialogue of this thread. I agree with MTV_D about the bc pill. Just my humble opinion and will leave it at that. Progesterone is my question. Now it seems like women with PCO tend to have a higher risk of miscarriage. I thought is was due to not enough progesterone early on in preg. The reason I have stayed away from prog. is due to that. I want my body to produce it naturally not give it to my body from an outside source. I have been taking herbal tonics to help level hormones so that my body will produce all of the hormones at the right times. I don't know everything about my body but what I do know is that a normal cycle has steps of hormones that have to be produced at just the right times to make the next step occur and I don't know enough to supplement one and not screw up the other hormones or steps in my cycle. Does this make sense? I have had good results with the herbs. I just wanted to see if you guys agree with my logic or am I off my rocker? This "syndrome" is hard to understand but the one thing I am thankful for is that it is making me understand my body which is powerful. So please correct me if you feel I am not understanding the cycle.

Thanks,
Debby

mtv_d · 07-26-2002, 02:25 PM

You are right on, you have different levels of hormones at various stages of your cycle. Your progesteron level should be higher in the very first days following your Peak Day of fertility. The corups luteum produces it, so the egg will travel down the falliopian tube and into the uterus. Therefore, the timing of the progesterone use is essential and that's why you chart your cycle to take it on the right days following your peak day in order to be effective. This is an oil based liquid and is a shot. Should the egg be fertilized, it implements. And yes, you need good progesterone levels to sustain a pregnancy, so yes, low levels could result in a miscarriage. So, if you get pregnant and check that progesterone level immediately, if it's low, you can take the injections and hopefully avoid a miscarriage (my sister had to do that with one of her 4 pregnancies, the other 3 had normal progesterone levels.) With my pregnancy my levels were normal as well and I know the shots were responsible for that.

With these injections that I take, the main goal is to get the body to produce it on it's own. For instance, I know a woman who has done the injections but no longer needs to do them, her body is doing it now. So, that is the hope. For some, like me, I guess my body is lazy jane right now and doesn't want to do it. So the progesterone has helped tremendously with regular cycyles and the ability to have a baby. Hopefully, it will kick in, and I won't need it any more.

This may not work for everybody, but heck, a natural remedy may be worth a "shot" for some of you.

Good Luck !