Just wondering if any cysters out there have read the book New Dawn? Also, wondering what you think of this whole Chronic Inflammation and PCOS??????? If you have not heard of it go to http://www.pcosliving.com I am interested to hear what everyone has to say.
I haven't noticed anyone on this site mentioning it.
I have ordered the books, and am very interested in reading them. I am also a member of that site. I think it sounds very promising eliminating foods from your diet that cause inflammation. I'm just not convinced that the $1500.00 test talked about on that site and in the book is the only test that provides the information needed to allow you to be able to follow that concept other than following the elimination diet. There is another test called the ALCAT test which is about a third of the price and looks very promising to me if I choose to have my blood tested. The author of the books (A New Dawn and Insulin Time Bomb) claims the technology of the alcat is outdated but I am not convinced. Just my opinion.
I feel the same way you do about the test. I ordered the books at the end of June and still have not recieved them. I'm sure they are coming soon. I have heard also about the ALCAT test. I found information about this pcos diet book here on this site. It sounds very interesting. It is an e-book and it is 14.95. It basically tells us what women with pcos should stay away from as far as food and what foods are good for us. The book was written by a doctor. I'm going to follow this program because I figure those foods that are mentioned in this e-book are probably the ones that the "test" will tell me I shouldn't be eating. Here is the web site in case you are interested. http://www.ovarian-cysts-pcos.com
just click on the pcos diet book, it basically tells us............no diary, no sugar of any kind, no bread, basically according to this doctor we are safe with lean meats, nuts, fruits and veggies. There is a lot more to it if you are interested let me know or follow the web site.
Rosemary
you know i've got my own reservations about the New Dawn book.....to many unanswered questions, to many things that are poping up as red flags for me......I know others have had a wonderful experience with the book and ^5 for them.....just to many things i have to wornder about in the book but i will look in to the book that you mentioned chikana.......May it will help my daughter as well in getting her weight down...........thanks for the link
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I got my books today! I think I ordered them 7/6/05. Did you get yours yet? Also, they came from Palm Springs, CA. I thought they were supposed to be coming from the UK? Anyway, I will probably read them while I'm at the hospital with my son on Wednesday. Hopefully you got yours also and we can exchange notes.
Gunnie,
We got the books the same day. I also thought the books were coming from England and that is why it was taking so long mine also says California. The publishers are in Monacco. I will also begin to read the books. However, i bought the e-book at the web site I mentioned above. It was written by a real doctor and it makes a lot of sense. She goes on to tell us exactly what we should be eating and what we should not be eating if we have pcos. I figure this is just as good as taking Ian's test. I'm going to begin the diet the doctor in the e-book talks about and see what happens. When people start testing in August I will also be on the look out as to what foods the Ian test said they cannot have. My guess is that since we have the same problem the foods will be similiar and they probably are close if not identical to what this doctor says in this e-book. Lets keep in touch.
Rosemary
There's a forum on the PCOSA discussion Boards about 2 new books called "A New Dawn", and "The Insulin Time Bomb". The idea is that PCOS, infertility, Type II Diabetes, Endometriosis, Obesity, and Pre-eclampsia can be eliminated just by not eating foods that cause inflammation in your body. To find out what these foods are for you, you can either order a blood test through EPC which costs $1500.00, or put yourself on the elimination diet for free which consists of fasting for 2 days and only drinking water and taking vitamin c. Then after 2 days, you start with 1 food, and if that food doesn't cause a "trigger" then you add another new food 2 days later. After awhile, you will be eating many foods that don't cause inflammation in your body, and this is supposed to make you feel fantastic, and your health should improve drammatically. The issues I am reading about concerning the books are not about the inflammation concept, but about the $1500.00 blood test being the only one that will give you the true results needed to be successful, and that the books are taking around a month to receive after ordering.
Gunnie.....you bring up two red flags.....at least for me...........one the cost of the blood test....i honestly can't see spending that much money...........the second flag is the elimination diet and fasting for 2 days.....if you know anything about fasting.....and then eating......your body will go in to a fathum or stavation gear...your brain will go food is scarce...have to store what ever she feeds us......So how would that help not to trigger something?
Your body will store everything and anything if you don't eat and feed it properly.
For me this is just a red flag because i go to a dietion, and i've been a cna for years, and my aunt is an RN and will tell me the same thing. just my opinion
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Well I received my books last weekend and it did take almost a month to do so. The books came from the UK to a shipping house in CA, hence why they have a CA return address. Besides if they had individually come from the UK, do you think they would have lasted that long in those envelopes them mailed them to us in? ;-)
I do understand some women's concern but as a person that has suffered with quite a few symptoms of PCOS or IR, predominantly acne and hirstuism (and dysmenorrhea), I can honestly tell you that aggressive lifestyle changes (mainly diet) were what worked the most for me.
Now, 4 years since my diagnosis & 3 years since changing my diet (I'm nearly 25), I no longer take any medication, because they didn't work (well enough). As a person that experienced acne an Inflammatory Skin Disease, for nearly 15 years I got to and STILL can (I'm 99% clear) experience first hand those little tell tale signs of inflammation that those that follow the Elimination Diet are supposed to watch out for, except for me, my indicator was breaking out with more acne (pustules, cysts, nodules) within a few days time (Delayed-Type Hypersensitivity....Type IV Hypersensitivity). Although I'm sure there's other signs such as feeling sleepy after a meal, increased phlegm, bloated, etc and I'm learning to pay more attention to these.
Through my own research, 1000s of hours worth (acne suxs), I've been coming toward the same conclusion that is in Ian's books. However, Ian is not the only one saying this, there are recent abstracts on Pubmed and articles at various websites (which doesn't hold much dirt I'm sure) that are saying or suggesting the same things. All Ian's book does is break it down (it's still scientific) and then provides the abstracts so that you can hopefully SEE how & why he can make such claims. Of course you are welcome to spend 100s or 1000s of hours of your own personal time (most people I work with don't wanna...lol), or just get the books and read what's already been found. If you still aren't convinced, you can look up additional abstracts (as I will do naturally to see if there's more connections).
Curious about book specifics? The Insulin-Time Bomb: obesity, type II diabetes and Syndrome X Defused
* 125 Pages of information incl:
Foreword, 10 Chapters, & Glossary
* 74 Pages of References & Abstracts (60)
The Insulin Time-Bomb Supplement: A New Dawn (doesn't that evoke such emotion?)
"For those who suffer infertility, miscarriage/stillbirth, PCOS and pre-eclampsia"
* 80 pages of information incl: Introduction, 8 Chapters & Glossary.
Now, as for the diet aspect, this too make sense. If you look up Leaky Gut Syndrome, Intestinal Hyperpermeabiality, Imparied Gut Barrier Function, this is an actual medical condition, you will understand why food can be your sickness and your cure. While there are ways to sometimes heal a leaky gut, thus allowing you to eat more foods again, Ian doesn't discuss this (maybe he does with the test results), but eliminating the offending foods is the first step. Thus, the Elimination Diet is the BEST way to figure things out because there is no test currently out that is accurate, or rather sensitive & specific enough (even for detecting intolerances). Ian's test is one that supposedly looks at inflammation of a cell from all angles vs. just a few markers that Allergy (Type I Hypersensitivities) and Intolerance (Type III Hypersensitivities) tests do. I suppose even when you take into account Metabolic Typing and Nutritional DNA Analysis (look up Nutrigenomics) Tests, these still may not pick up all foods that are causing you grief because they are only looking at certain aspects (blood type, genetics, IgG, etc). Therefore, we could take all of these tests and would actually surpass the amount of money that Ian is asking for, which includes overnight delivery to the UK, gives us Life Time support and two pieces of monitoring equipment. The other tests aren’t as new, don't provide such equipment and limit support to 3 - 12 months. If I had the money, I would take the test, but since I pretty much have my diet figured out (it's a reverse elimination diet but I may just do the real thing), I won't be doing so.
Hmm...yes, I do agree that there’s too much mysticism surrounding the books and the diet. I think that the women can be more forthcoming about some of their food avoidances, however Ian is correct in not wanting to lists foods because not everyone will have an immune reaction to the same foods. Sure 60% or 80% of us might, but the other 40% or 20% won’t and if they were to follow the same diet as the majority….they would fail. Isn’t this why “fad diets” and diet books fail? Furthermore, I predominantly spend my time on the acne boards (in case someone has an undiagnosed hormonal disorder) and over there those of us that have found success in following particular diets, most of which are customized for us (we avoid some of the same foods and also different foods) through Trial and Error (some form of elimination), and we share our diets freely with the board. Problem is, while it helps more members (that usually do have hormonal/metabolic disorders) than not, it doesn’t help them all. Unfortunately this leads them to believe that diet doesn’t work for them or ANYONE, LOL. Or worse yet, it leads them to believe that they need to, they must take every single food that we as individuals avoid and combine them in an attempt to make one super anti-acne or anti-inflammatory diet and what are they left with….”hardly anything to eat”. Sigh....talk about the fall out of negativity, skepticism, and fears of eating disorders from that type of confusion….what a mess. Therefore, I believe it’s for those reasons, or some similar, that Ian has opted to not share the results of such statistics with anyone.
Of course, I understand the concerns with fasting, but there’s a reason for this. Fasting gives your digestive system a break. IF you do have a leaky gut, then by fasting you are 100% avoiding whatever foods caused or are irritating your gut/intestine. Furthermore, when you remove foods from your diet, you allow your body to heal and thus your body can become resensitized to sources of “non-self”(foods, chemicals, etc) that are no longer in your system. See, before your body was always reacting to it and your reactions eventually were dulled down (think of your hearing and how after listening to loud music over a period of time it weakens your hearing), but now it has the ability to respond at full force! Now, your body, or rather your immune system, is able to react stronger than ever when it finds a source of non-self or stimuli that it doesn’t particular get along with. Oh my, while this can be seen as a good thing because you WILL get a reaction, it can be a bad thing (this is why he recommends taking the test) because if you DO have a problem with a particular stimuli, and your body reacts too strongly you may not like the feeling at all (anaphylactic shock, instant drowsiness, mood swings, cramps, bloating etc).
So, in my case, when I eat a food that I’m avoiding possibly due to my own leaky gut (thanks to past antibiotics, NSAIDs, Birth Control, Candida, Stress, several things contribute) I break out in an area I never did before and with extremely stubborn cystic or nodular acne that take weeks to go away (this never happened before changing my diet). =( Therefore, I absolutely understand why the fasting and why the elimination diet , but you may be able to get away with just starting the elimination diet and skipping the fast (vitamin supplements w/NO fillers are a must). Or you can always do a "reverse elimination" diet such as myself (pick a different diet and then avoid suspect foods & reintroduce to test), but if you don't experience actual physical signs like acne or a rash, it may not be very helpful. This is especially true if one of your stimuli happens to MASK your symptoms because until you avoid that "Major Stimuli" you may never find what foods are activating an immune response because you will still always be (silently) reacting.
Well, that's my thoughts at least. I haven’t finished the books yet (I'm always researching), but there’s lots of stuff I’m recognizing and new stuff that I’ll eventually end up looking up, but for now it’s nice to actually read something where someone else has done all the work (& doesn't seem preachy). If you are skeptical of the diet or his books, you can have an Intestinal Permeability Assessment to gauge how permeable your intestine is. Plus, you can also get a high sensitivity C-Reactive Protein test to see whether you’ve got or are at risk for a Chronic (long-term) Silent or Sub-clinical (low grade) Inflammatory Disease. If you test positive for one or both of these, perhaps that will give you the push you need to try the Elimination Diet or take a series of Allergy & Intolerance tests, or take Ian’s “Immune Activation” test.
FYI: Leaky Gut - Inflammation
Quote:
East Afr Med J. 2003 Jun;80(6):324-30. Related Articles, Links
Gastro intestinal hyperpermeability: a review.
Viljoen M, Panzer A, Willemse N.
Department of Physiology, University of Pretoria, P.O. Box 2034 Pretoria 0001, South Africa.
OBJECTIVE: To present a wide overview of the recent developments in the understanding of the aetiopathogenesis of gastrointestinal hyperpermeability. DATA SOURCES: Medline, from 1985, was sourced for relevant articles. Review articles were included in order to minimise the number of references in the reference list. STUDY SELECTION: Results from experiments and observations on humans and other mammalian species were studied. DATA SYNTHESIS: The major mechanisms elucidated in the aetiopathogenesis of the gastrointestinal hyperpermeability were integrated and consolidated into a flow diagram and the major factors responsible for normal permeability presented for comparison. CONCLUSION: The occurrence of increased gastrointestinal hyperpermeability is probably vastly underestimated. In addition to the hyperpermeability commonly associated with chronic gastro intestinal disorders, an increase in gastrointestinal permeability may occur in any condition of metabolic depletion, enterocyte ATP-depletion, stimulation of gastrointestinal pro-inflammatory cytokine production and disturbances of the normal gastrointestinal flora as with prolonged use of antibiotics. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12953743&dopt=Abstract
The intestine constitutes the largest interface between a person and his or her environment, and an intact intestinal barrier is thus essential in maintaining health and preventing tissue injury and several diseases. The intestinal barrier has various immunological and non-immunological components. The epithelial barrier is one of the most important non-immunological components. Hyperpermeability of this barrier is believed to contribute to the pathogenesis of several gastrointestinal disorders including inflammatory bowel disease, celiac disease and food allergy. Hence, assessing barrier integrity is of the utmost importance. One of the more quantitative gauges for this assessment is transepithelial permeability of various molecular probes, among which sugars are commonly used. Measures of intestinal permeability might also be useful as markers for assessment of prognosis and follow up in various gastrointestinal disorders. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12702039&query_hl=19
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A recent study has also shown that patients with chronic unresponsive candida overgrowth and increased intestinal permeability, also have a reduction in leukocyte phagocytosis.11 It is suggested in this study that this reduction is secondary to free radical damage to the neutrophils. It is important to identify these patients with poor leukocyte phagocytosis, because they may benefit from increased antioxidant therapy. http://www.antibodyassay.com/testinfo/ipe.htm
(Ian’s book mentions “Frustrated Phagocytosis” of the neutrophil as playing a large role)
Quote:
2. Gut Irritation And Inflammation
It is generally recognized that inflammation of
the intestinal wall is caused by a variety of
factors, including certain foods and medications,
chemical toxins, incompletely digested
food proteins, and infectious microorganisms in
the intestinal tract. Gluten and casein can
contribute to gut inflammation, as can those
foods that the child is allergic to. Medications
such as antibiotics, steroids, aspirin, and nonsteroidal
anti-inflammatory drugs can irritate
the intestinal wall and cause the overgrowth of
certain microbes such as yeasts, which in turn
cause further irritation to the gut membrane. In
fact, many parents of autistic children feel that
their child’s problems first began after the
administration of multiple rounds of antibiotics.
Chemicals ingested in foods, such as artificial
additives and preservatives, food dyes, certain
sweeteners, pesticides, and hormones, can
contribute to the toxic burden on the digestive
system and cause oxidative damage within the
gut. Further problems can occur when there is
an overgrowth of yeast, bacteria, parasites, or
other organisms. The resulting inflammation of
the intestinal wall usually leads to an overly
permeable (“leaky”) gut membrane, which can
be the origin of many of
Antioxid Redox Signal. 2005 Jul-Aug;7(7-8):1040-52. Related Articles, Links
The molecular basis for oxidative stress-induced insulin resistances.
Evans JL, Maddux BA, Goldfine ID.
Medical Research Institute, San Francisco, CA.
Reactive oxygen and nitrogen molecules have been typically viewed as the toxic by-products of metabolism. However, accumulating evidence has revealed that reactive species, including hydrogen peroxide, serve as signaling molecules that are involved in the regulation of cellular function. The chronic and/or increased production of these reactive molecules or a reduced capacity for their elimination, termed oxidative stress, can lead to abnormal changes in intracellular signaling and result in chronic inflammation and insulin resistance. Inflammation and oxidative stress have been linked to insulin resistance in vivo. Recent studies have found that this association is not restricted to insulin resistance in type 2 diabetes, but is also evident in obese, nondiabetic individuals, and in those patients with the metabolic syndrome. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15998259&query_hl=9
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Context: Women with Polycystic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS) are often insulin resistant and have chronic low level inflammation. Objective: The purpose of this study was to determine the effects of hyperglycemia on lipopolysaccaride (LPS)-stimulated TNFalpha release from mononuclear cells (MNC) in PCOS.
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Conclusion: An increase in abdominal adiposity and increased TNFalpha release from MNC following hyperglycemia may contribute to insulin resistance in lean PCOS. In contrast, obese PCOS have more profound chronic inflammation, and thus may have LPS tolerance which protects them from relatively mild excursions in blood glucose. http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/rapidpdf/jc.2005-0694v1 (full text)
Wish you all the very best!
SJ
P.S. The Natural Diet Solution for PCOS and Infertility is very similar to what I, and others following "anti-acne" diets follow ( love the book layout), but there’s still a few other misc. foods I had to avoid and having a leaky gut would seems to account for this.
P.P.S. Before I changed my diet, I was tested for Celiac disease and was negative for gluten intolerance, but I still had a few gluten gliaden antibodies…theoretically that shouldn’t be unless I have at least slightly increased permeability. I’m also sensitive to too much MSG and artificial sweeteners like aspartame & splenda (headaches) a sign of an impaired blood brain barrier…similar to our gut mucosal barrier.
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I ordered the books on July 5th and they arrived yesterday.
I haven't started to read them yet although I might start this weekend.
I have bought & read The Natural Diet Solution for PCOS and Infertility and agree with everything in there. The nice thing about that e-book is that they give you recipes for a month (30 days) and give you lists of food to have and avoid, including when you are eating out. A definate plus!
When I see my naturopath again in August she will be doing a food allergy/sensitivity test. I'm looking forward to seeing the results.
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Yeah, definately bringing this information to your Endocrinologist (nice, good, thorough doctor?), your Dietician, and perhaps an Allergist or Gastrenterologist would be a good idea. I just finished reading this phamplet/book on Leaky Gut Syndrome and the nutritionist author says the same things as Ian, only she gives multiple reasons why it happens and uses laymans terms. That's a really good thing, initially, but if you want to understand how they can come up with such conclusions, you would need the scientific aspect of it all, which is where Ians book comes in handy.
I know for me, changing my diet has done the following:
* 99% clear skin
* nearly invisible pores
* eliminated my horribly bad dysmenorrhea
* slightly reduced hirsutism
* slightly reduced Acanthosis Nigricans
* slightly improved vision (had to get a lower prescription)
* gave me below normal LDL (was on 4mg Avandia at this time)
* Allowed me do drop Avandia and Spironolactone (although...I may go back on this if I can't find an majorly effecitve natural solution for hirsutism)
Now that I'm insured again (yeah) I do plan on getting some basic blood work run and plan on seeing if I can get the C-Reactive Protein checked as well, along with an Intestinal Permeability Assessment. Of course It will be interesting to see where my values are now compared to 3 years ago.
Oh and as for The Natural Diet Solution for PCOS & Infertility, if you and your daughter, or anyone suffer from more severe signs or symptoms, I would definately follow the Reccommended Diet Level perfectly. If it says you can't eat a certain food unless it's sprouted or fermented, than 99% of the time (that's perfect for some) that's the way we all should eat it, or we don't eat it. That's pretty much what I do. I don't sprout legumes, to busy or lazy, and so I pretty much don't eat them, except for Green Beans/string beans. There's so many diets out there, this one seems to take into a account quite a few, which when I think about, I did as well. My diet is a combination of different diet theories along with my own adjustments through trial and error, but it still isn't perfect (especially if I have something else in my diet messing with me or if i have Leaky Gut).
Oh, but of course, Ian's book claims not to reduce or control symptoms, but to cure it. Heck, I would love to see if it's possible to further reduce hirsustism naturally, by figuring out what else needs to be adjusted in my diet or lifestyle. That's my biggest concern now, and the thought of that dream does evoke so much emotion. No wonder women are skeptical about this, it would be just too wonderful if that and more could be accomplished. So far his book doesn't mention it, but on the boards he's said that if it's linked to Insulin Resistance, and thus inflammation (some of the same inflammatory products do promote wanted/unwanted hair growth), we should be able to reduce/eliminate this as well. Anyway, that's what I'm interested in finding out. of course I hope that just like the women on PCOSliving, you find that with either option you go with, you get closer to your dreams as well.
Best of luck!
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I did wonder if it was just information rehashed but you can view two chapters free and there were some things in there I don't think have been covered before.
I haven't heard of the New Dawn though - but I'm going to check out the website.
Only one thing mentioned bothered me - no dairy - recent research shows that PCOS women might be treated int he future with dietary calcium as most PCOS women are chronically low in calcium and this nutrient also plays a part in egg formation and ovary function.
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as far as getting calcium from milk products you don't. You can get more calcium from dark green veggies, and oj. Plus did you realize that all the foods we consum have anti biotics in them. Including the milk.
Kinds of a scary thought for me.
i'm actually going to switch over to soy milk, it's better for you in the long run, you don't end up with the anti biotics that are givin to the animals.
Anyhow good luck hun
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