tiffanyleigh614

i didn't realize met was really used infertility, i thought it was mainly for insulin, but even yesterday i went to the walk in clinic because i had strep and the dr asked me why i was on met and if i was a diabetic and i said no and he knew right off PCOS, for one i was suprised how many more people are coming familiar with it, it's about time! he then asked if i was TTC and i said no and he said if i am sexually active i need to be careful because met is used for treating the infertility and i could get pregnant

tina_d

You should read the FAQs about Met.

FAQ About Metformin

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funkydiva77

When finding the root cause of any condition you have to keep going back till you cant go anymore. A point where you can no longer say "well what is the cause of that"

EXAMPLE:

HIRSUTISM is caused by PCOS
PCOS is caused by INSULIN RESISTANCE
INSULIN RESISTANCE is caused by GENETIC factors

If you can give me another cause for PCOS that cant be linked to insulin resistance Id be all ears listening.

Basically insulin resistance is pre diabetes, if there are alot of PCOSers out there that dont show symptoms its because they are in early stages of the condition.

Since first having PCOS symptoms of acne, hirsutism and alopecia at age 21 I had no idea what was wrong with me and I didnt really care, because I left this condition untreated it is now 8years later and I have every horrible symptom of insulin resistance (and diabetes) you can have. Im basically prediabetic now.

PCOS is not the disease, merely a symptom of a very real and serious health condition. It starts as insulin resistance and PCOS (with its cluster of symptoms) is the 'in your face' warning sign.

Insulin resistance may be in the MAYBE root cause of PCOS at this stage because they are still in early stages of diagnosing the disease. It only makes sense at the end of the day, Im not here to argue, I just prefer to put it out there and let others draw their own conclusions.

Dont take my word for it RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH!!

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tina_d

Have you read the article on the 5 types of PCOS
5 Types of PCOS

There are lots of PCOSers who don't have IR, and may never experience it. If they don't experience IR, then where does that put your theory. As I stated before, it's not something that appears over night. I've known that I was a 'borderline' diabetic for almost 15 years now. At the time, I was 120 lbs at 5' 4" and thought that my dr was on drugs because she kept telling me to lose weight to lower my glucose and insulin levels.

I'm not understanding the stages either. I know the symptoms and complications can appear at different times in our lives. But there is no guarantee that everyone dx-ed with PCOS will develop all of those symptoms. I never had any issues with the 'string of pearls' on an ovary, acne, irregular AFs, or infertility.

PCOS has been identified for over 80 years, originally called Stein-Leventhal Syndrome, and the exact cause is still unknown.

Another quote, this one from http://www.infertilitydoctor.com/treat/pcos.htm

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sue_trask

^^^ yeah i was just going to say. ir can happen if your thin or overweight and doesnt matter

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alolmommy

It's all SO confusing. I have some symptoms of IR including the weak, shaky feeling a couple of hours after eating anything sweet especially first thing in the morning, always had trouble maintaining a weight, never been skinny but have a tendency to carry weight only in my bum. When not on Weight Watchers I can gain 2-3 lbs. a week easily. I'll probably forever be on a diet. Sometimes I just want to give in and say to hell with the dieting, but as soon as I do I instantly regret it. I was diagnosed with PCOS in May. Looking back I'm fairly sure I've been displaying symptoms since about 14. when i try explaining what I have to family and friends they really don't seem to get it and probably couldn't unless they personally had it. Sorry, didn't mean to vent!

Brienicole

just have to say Im not a skinny Cyster and I DO NOT have IR! had to do the fasting glucose many times! I also DID NOT get gestational diabetes when pregnant! and met did help me ovulate despite that I am not IR. (with my first pg.. not this one!)

the statement PCOS is caused by IR is very misleading, and in my case not true!

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nebulus43

Hi everyone,

I am in the same boat as many of you ladies. I have was Dxnsd last tuesday and I was somewhat familiar with PCOS because my cousin has it. I weigh 198lbs, I have gained anywhere between 15 to 20 pounds every couple of years since high school. Every diet that I have tried has lost me abotu 7 - 15lbs and then I cant lose anymore! I have been on WW for 6 months and lost a total of 12lbs and then got stuck!

Last week after reading the posts I decided to work on my carb and sugar intake. I switched every grain (even tortillas) to whole wheat and skipped the potatos. I lost 4lbs in three days! I couldnt beleive it. It was effortless really. That was the first time that I realized that maby being Dxnsed was not the worst thing in the world because now I know what I am dealing with. The upsetting part is that my Dr. said that I was NOT IR and refused me the met. I asked for it since my cousin had told me about it and I had read about it on this site. She wants me to just lose weight and come back in three months (when I have been TTC for a year) so they can do the clomid.

I have always had excess weight in my belly. Luckily I have the butt and chest to match, but I have always longed to lose weight and now to find out that it is a matter of fertility?! I am extreemly motivated. I just really want to do what works you know!

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pinky1020

I also have PCOS and am not IR. I was tested three times after I was finally diagnosed and my PCOS had gone untreated for 13 years before then, so it certainly had time to develop if that were destined to happen.

Also, I think it's pretty important to note that if you Google "root cause of PCOS," the majority of the links on the first page that back the IR-causes-PCOS theory reference the same study and are used as an advertisement/PR piece for the $1,200-a-year Insulite PCOS System (which requires something like 18 pills a day and isn't FDA approved). They also call it A root cause of PCOS, not THE, meaning there's more than one root cause -- whether that means all contribute or any could be the root cause is kind of lost in bad grammar.

Nothing against this pill system, if someone has used it and it worked, but it's pretty shady that the biggest reference to IR being the be-all and end-all root cause of PCOS is on a for-profit non-FDA-approved pharmaceutical company's pitch site. Just saying ...

SnowFlower

So the main test to see if you are IR is the fasting gluclose right? What number indicates IR?

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tina_d

There are a few different tests that your dr can order to determine IR, but the common ones seem to be the fasting glucose and insulin and the glucose tolerance tests.

I'm not sure what my number was, and labs measure differently so it's really hard to say a number for you unless you know the specifics of the test. The way it was explained to me is that there is a narrow 'window' between normal and diabetic. If your number is in that 'window', you are in danger of developing diabetes, and need to modify your diet and exercise to lower your risk.

Since I was pregnant with my son, mine has always been in that narrow 'window'. I honestly don't know if it was before I was pregnant. I had to sit thru 3 of those nasty glucose tolerance tests because of the results always being too high to be normal and too low to be treated as gd.

With being on Met, my fasting glucose now falls within the normal range.

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freckles21

I think this is a really confusing issue for me too - the whole IR bit. I am just confused how some symptoms go away with weight loss but if you are thin - symptoms don't necessarily go away with weight loss?? What does that mean about your PCOS? I just wonder if isulin resistance can cause PCOS and IR can arise for numerous reasons. I don't think it is valid to say that everyone with IR has PCOS but maybe everyone with PCOS has some irregularity with IR. Yet, I have a normal fasting glucose (78). I just think it is all very confusing... But, it seems like the research and the doctors might be confused too!

tina_d

IR is not the common factor with everyone dx-ed with PCOS. Hormones are. Our bodies either produce too many, too few, or just doesn't use them properly.

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SnowFlower

It is confusing so is IR the same thing as pre diabetes? My fasting has always been in the 90's (once at 100) now is fasting blood sugar and fasting gluclose the same thing right? Now I am confusing myself!

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tina_d

lol, I agree, very confusing. Glucose = Sugar, so yes, the two tests are the same.

IR and pre-diabetes are seperate conditions but can be linked. With IR, you can have a normal fasting glucose result, but your insulin levels are high. With the pre-diabetes, your fasting glucose falls within that 'narrow window' I mentioned in my earlier post.

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