Thanks for your reply. I wasn't exactly sure what to respond to you, because its so hard for me to reconcile these issues myself, as I said. I can see how its better if you only make as many embryos as children you are eventually wanting to have, but then there's the issue of the embryos dying in the freezing/thawing? process. While you're not actually killing them, you do seem to be putting them in harm's way. I'm not disagreeing with you; I'm just trying to get these ideas out on the table so I can sort through them.
As far as the girls being taught about the immorality of IVF, I didn't really imagine that someone would sit them down and tell them this, but rather it could come up in a class later in their lives on the Church's teachings on life issues, or they could come across an article about this. The Church's teachings on IVF are not a secret, and it seems that people who have been born through this process will have some big questions when they learn that these are the teachings of the Church, and I don't know how people will answer them.
The problem I see is that there is a negative effect of this teaching. It seems that IVF really does create some difficult issues as far as life issues go, and that it seems right that the Church opposes it. I do agree with you that God creates every life, but I do not believe God intends for us to create life in all of the ways that we do. (I don't think that's paradoxical?). The problem I see is for the children who are products of IVF - this teaching isn't intended to make them feel bad about their very existence, but I'm afraid it could have that effect in some cases.
Just some more of my thoughts...I'm interested to here what everyone thinks about this
I do agree with you that God creates every life, but I do not believe God intends for us to create life in all of the ways that we do.
I'm not sure I understand this. Does God create every life or not? I believe He does. Regardless of what means are used to bring the cells together, they will not join and produce a new life unless God not only allows it, but actually creates that life. Every person on this planet who ever was, is and ever will be was created by God, through a variety of means.
Does that make IVF right for everyone? No. Just as it is not a sin, biblically, to smoke, it is not a sin, biblically, to undergo IVF. But there are those whose own consciences have convicted them that smoking is a sin in their lives which they must abandon. It is not universally sinful for all. But the conscience must be heeded. Ditto IVF. If your conscience tells you that for you it would harm your relationship with God, then don't do it.
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I guess what I meant by that is that I believe that God creates every life, but at the same time, I don't think that that entails that he condones every way that humans use to procreate.
As far as you saying that your conscience should tell you whether something is a sin or not, don't you think that many people's consciences are not properly formed? Most people rationalize at least some of the bad things they do, and somehow convince themselves that they are ok. Example: God doesn't really care about my sex-life - so its ok if I have this one-night stand. It seems to me that something like IVF, if considered to be a violation to a right to life, would be objectively wrong, rather than subjective to each person's conscience. Does that make sense?
God doesn't really care about my sex-life - so its ok if I have this one-night stand.
But the bible is very clear on the issue of fornication. Not so on IVF, or smoking, or eating too much chocolate or what have you.
What causes one to stumble may not cause another to falter in her walk with God. So if this causes your walk with God to suffer, it would be best to at least rethink it, if not walk away from it altogether.
That is what I meant. Trying to excuse actual biblical sin is not a matter of personal liberty. It's just sin. Personal liberty is my freedom to each chocolate, even though for my friend it is a stumbling block and a sin in her life because it harms her relationship with God.
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I came on the Faith and Healing board because I am struggling with my decision to have an IUI this month and found this thread. I enjoyed reading what everyone had to say about fertility drugs because I was going through that when I started clomid.
My question is what are your thoughts on an IUI? I feel like I am trying to concieve in a way that was not intended by God. Plus I am making DH do his business in a cup, that's just not right! My IUI is going to happen in a couple days, and this is just something I have been thinking about daily.
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I came on the Faith and Healing board because I am struggling with my decision to have an IUI this month and found this thread. I enjoyed reading what everyone had to say about fertility drugs because I was going through that when I started clomid.
My question is what are your thoughts on an IUI? I feel like I am trying to concieve in a way that was not intended by God. Plus I am making DH do his business in a cup, that's just not right! My IUI is going to happen in a couple days, and this is just something I have been thinking about daily.
Why do you think God didn't intend for you to conceive this way? And why do you think it is wrong for your DH to do his business in a cup?
I still equate this to any other medical intervention. Would you tell a cancer patient that radiation is wrong? What about using CPR for a heart attack patient? Doesn't God give us medical tools to help us lead healthier and happier lives?
When you are annovulatory, your body is not working properly. Using meds to help that happen is not a sin. If you aren't able to get pregnant, that is your body not working properly. God told us to be fruitful and multiply! Using medicine to help achieve that is not a sin!
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I came on the Faith and Healing board because I am struggling with my decision to have an IUI this month and found this thread. I enjoyed reading what everyone had to say about fertility drugs because I was going through that when I started clomid.
My question is what are your thoughts on an IUI? I feel like I am trying to concieve in a way that was not intended by God. Plus I am making DH do his business in a cup, that's just not right! My IUI is going to happen in a couple days, and this is just something I have been thinking about daily.
I think people worry too much about God getting mad at them for little things. God wants us to love Him with all our mind, soul, and strength, and to love our neighbor as ourselves - we should be more concerned if we're failing to live up to these things than if He might be "mad" that we used medical interventions to have a child.
I've had two IUI's - one resulted in my 3 year old twins, and the other in the precious little man I'm carrying now. I do not feel the least bit bad about it, anymore than I feel bad for any other medical procedure that helps my body function properly.
Thank you, ladies. I was just looking for some insight. In my brain God intended for a man and a woman to concieve by expressing their love. And in an RE's office with DH in another room, there is no love being expressed.
I am all for medical procedures and medications. I am looking into any option I can to concieve. Catholic guilt gets to me sometimes and makes me wonder if I am doing the right thing. I never thought of it as a medical procedure to help your body function, thank you for putting it that way.
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In my brain God intended for a man and a woman to concieve by expressing their love. And in an RE's office with DH in another room, there is no love being expressed.
This is where (IMHO) you are wrong! You may not be having intercourse, but are you telling me that you and DH aren't having this treatment because of your love and desire to be parents? You are too expressing love!
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This is where (IMHO) you are wrong! You may not be having intercourse, but are you telling me that you and DH aren't having this treatment because of your love and desire to be parents? You are too expressing love!
I guess I am not looking at the big picture. Thank you.
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In my brain God intended for a man and a woman to concieve by expressing their love. And in an RE's office with DH in another room, there is no love being expressed.
There are many ways that husband and wife express their love for each other. God intended his children to procreate with their life spouse. If procreation happens with the assistance of a doctor, what difference does it make? Isn't a man, who does his business in a cup and accepts all the glares that come his way if he does it at home and brings the cup to the office, express his love by doing what is needed to create a family? I think it is more of an expression of love that they show us. They go through a lot, more than we realize, and they deal with the anxiety of walking through the RE office doors, knowing that every woman in there knows what they are there for. That is the ultimate expression of love! Geez, so you show love to each other for one night, our spouses show it again and again and again in the case of IUIs. I love my DH more than ever because of what he goes through for my sake. My infertility isn't just my struggle, it's his, too.
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