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Old 03-21-2003, 07:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi there! I didn't know where to post this and I didn't know how to find your PM box so here goes!

I know from your previous posts that you are a social worker and I had a question about my possible adoption. I hope you don't mind me asking you ! I was wondering if you could give me some unbiased info about what my chances are.

The BM hasn't gone to any of the court dates (The baby is 2 months old) and she hasn't done any of what she is supposed to be doing. She hasn't seen the baby since it's birth or requested visitation, and she hasn't been through any of the random drug testing. (She tested + for meth)

What are the chances of her starting to be active in trying to get this baby? Also, could you tell me what the chances are of the court revoking her parental rights at 6 months? I'm in California so I don't know if laws differ state to state. We get the baby on Monday.

Thanks Kibbie and I'm sorry if I should have pm'd you, but I looked for one of your posts to press "PM" but couldn't find any.
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Hi Kittycat!

First of all, I'm so happy for you...I saw your post on the "Mommy board" and I felt such excitement for you - I have been praying and hoping!!

I don't know much about California law, and before I say anything else...I want you to keep in mind that everything depends on the judge. Some judges are more lenient/tolerant and are more inclined to try to keep the biological mother/child relationship in tact. That being said...(IMO) the baby's BM has slim to NO chance (at this point) of regaining custody. However, if she decides to turn her life around and cooperate with the court appointed goals...she may cause some problems for you.

In NH, a birth parent has 12 months to prove themselves to the court. Usually, when a child is removed from the parent's custody, 1 month later the parent is required to attend an ajudication hearing. The ajudication hearing is to determine whether or not the child was justifiably removed from the parent's care. If the allegations against the parent are deemed to be correct, the parent has 1 year from the date of ajudication to meet their court appointed goals. My job is to help birth parents meet their court appointed goals, and sadly...it just doesn't happen very often.

The BM has some serious strikes against her. The way I see it, she would have to do some serious work in order to get her daughter, should she decide she wants custody. The judge is going to want to see:

1. Compliance with random drug testing, and obviously negative tests. This is a biggie, and if the BM can't accomplish this...she might as well not even bother to try to meet the other court appointed goals.

2. Not only regular visitation with the baby, but the BM must be on-time and prepared for the visit (i.e. - she can't show up high, she may be required to bring supplies for the baby such as diapers and wipes - in order to show some sense of ability to care for the baby)

3. The BM must demonstrate good parenting skills during the visit. She must check diapers, care for the baby appropriately, demonstrate good judgement (does she dress the baby warmly before going out in cold weather, does she hold the baby while giving her a bottle instead of "propping" the baby up with a bottle, etc). The visits will surely be supervised, so you can rest assured that the baby will not be in any danger.

4. The BM must have gainful employment, and she must have an established (and appropriate) place of residence. She must also demonstrate that she would be capable of providing for the baby, financially and otherwise (does she have safe baby furniture/equipment for the baby, etc). She must develop some kind of feasible plan as far as day care and her work schedule goes.

5. She will most likely be required to attend some kind of parenting class, and/or some kind of counseling or rehab for her drug problem. Psych evals are usually requested as well, at the expense of the BM.

6. She must appear at all court hearings! This is also a biggie...not only does it show a lack of responsibility and concern for the child, it wastes the court's time and many judges take it very personally!

I don't know this BM, so I feel a little funny giving you my opinion....but I'm just going to go ahead anyway. This BM had a huge strike against her right off the bat (when the baby was born) because the baby was born with Meth in her system). The BM has done exactly what the court DOESN'T want to see ever since. The BM sounds like a complete flake....and it also sounds like it would take an act of GOD for her to turn her life around. So no, it's very unlikely she would ever get her daughter back.

In situations like this, the foster parents are usually given the option for adoption....unless the baby's father or a suitable blood relative steps in and requests custody. Even then, it's not always a serious threat to your adoption, especially since the baby is now two months old...and the court would want to see the family member have "interest" in the baby right from the start. Has paternity been established? And have you heard anything about the birth father and his feelings about relinquishing his rights? At this point, I would say this would be your only threat (if such a relative exists)

As foster parents, it's vitally important that you bend over backwards and comply with every little request. The judge will also scrutinize you and your husband, and the home the baby has with you. Should the BM want to start seeing the baby, and the court arranges visitation....make sure you completely cooperate with it and don't interfere. I have seen perfectly wonderful foster parents accused (by lawyers for birth parents) of "trying to sabotage" the parent/child relationship. It doesn't look good to the judge.

There is one wonderful foster mother I have befriended who does something really great...she keeps complete notes and records of the baby's day to day growth/activities/accomplishments/doctor appointments/etc., and she keeps updated photos within her records. When she went to court for the permanency hearing, whenever there was a question about milestones or doctor appointments, she just flipped through her notes and recited accurate dates and full reports. The judge was VERY impressed and praised her for her efforts! Also, it showed that the sick, unresponsive, and unstimulated baby she took into her home...thrived and developed beautifully while living with her foster parents.

So in a nutshell, I think you have a great chance of adopting this baby. I don't want to get your hopes up, because like I said..I don't know the BM or Californa law...but it would be extremely unlikely that any judge would give this BM any consideration. Talk with the CPSW who is handling the baby's case...and ask about court timelines and what you can expect.

I wish you all the luck in the world...please keep me posted, and if it's allowed (sometimes you need the BM's permission)...post a picture when you get a chance!! I hope I helped you somehow, sorry the post is so long-winded!

God bless your family, and congratulations!!
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Thankyou so much for responding! I appreciate the info so much!

The BM IS very irresponsible and flaky. The term "flake" is really an understatement. She did show up for the first court hearing, but only named the baby on paper and left. (I was there- her boyfriend and her were fighting and they just left.... Everyone was looking around for her and they were gone). She never showed up to another hearing after that, and hasn't done anything. I know her BF does drugs and her roommate apparently is notorious for drug use, too. (the roommate is 4 months pg- I hope she's not doing drugs now, but I suspect she may be). BM had no prenatal care and was homeless for the first couple months of her pregnancy from what I heard. It was DH and I who paid for her apartment that she's in now. She was staying with someone from my church and thats how we met her. We let her choose the apt because they would have to continue rent after the baby was born and they needed a place they could afford but it's a DIVE. I mean really bad. I don't think she's working; she's never had a job, but she did mention trying to get a job at a fast food place after the baby's birth (When she planned on giving her up).

The BM is very young (18), I don't think she's the sharpest tack in the box, and she's been dealt a hard deal in life. She's been pretty much on her own since she was 14 with no guidance and an absent family. I feel sorry for her and during the adoption process I felt like SHE needed adopting. If we weren't still trying to get the baby I would still be in contact with her to try to help her.

With California law, the BM has 6 months before there can be a revocation of rights. California has passed some stringent laws for BM's of infants in foster care. The father of the baby was listed as unknown. Jennifer (the birthmom) claimed that he forced himself on her and that she hardly knew him at all. She knew his first name and that was it so he was listed as unknown. So he's pretty much out of the picture. I'm alittle concerned about Jennifer's mom because she really wants the baby but I don't think that's much of a threat because she just got out of prison about 6 months ago and had her U.S. citizenship revoked so she can't even come here lawfully.

That is great advice about keeping notes. I have a baby book I have been writing in it for her (began a month before birth) and I will continue to record everything and I'll remember to bring it to court if the time comes.

I think we have a few things in our favor in that it's really obvious we want her and we have made a huge effort to do all we can to get her. The court knows we were adopting her before she was born and that we have gone through all the requirements of the state to get licensed and try to get her. I will be very careful to cooperate with visitation if that happens. So far Jennifer hasn't seen her so I'm hoping it will just stay that way. We'll see....

The current foster mom has told me that she is exhibiting some withdrawal symptoms so I'm going to take her to the dr right away. I will document everything like you suggested.

Thankyou for the information! I have felt so "in the dark". The social worker that is involved in the case is really busy and hard to reach, and I feel funny asking her questions.

Take care and I will let you know what happens!
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aww good luck with getting your baby, im so happy for u kitty. post pics when u can vicky
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Wow, what a difficult situation, but also an interesting one, and in a way you are a bit lucky to be able to have the degree of birth mother information that you do, so there's not quite as much of an "unknown" later... And like you, I worry about the BM a lot, too. Wonder where her family wandered off to and if no interventions had ever been offered by her school, etc., at any point. Sad situation. But good luck on your adoption going through!
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Hi Kittycat!

I am so glad that you posted. Being a recent adoptive mom (from the foster care system, no less), I have been watching your story closely.

My prayers are with you. Since today is Monday, I hope you have your baby today!! God bless. . .

A lot of us on this board truly care, please keep us updated!
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Hi Kittycat,

Just wanted you to know I'm thinking of you and hope it all turns out well.
As an adopted child I can say that I think it was the best thing that happened to me, I know my BM didn't have the skills or support to look after me and my parents are just the most wonderful, loving supportive folks I could ever have asked for. I'm sure you will be the same.

A side note to Dawn -I am half Samoan adopted into a Caucasian family which is semi transracial if you wanted to chat?

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