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    Question Estrogen AND Progesterone after ovulation

    My doc has me taking estrogen and progesterone after ovulation. I'll stop the estrogen about 8 dpo and the progesterone I'll take till 14 dpo, when I go in to see him again and test for pg.

    He's never had me do the estrogen supplements before.

    Is this common?

    What does/would it help?
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    I don't think it's very common, but I believe it would help thicken up your lining.
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    I would want a second opinion on this. Estrogen testing (if he tested you low) is not very accurate. They only test for actual estrogen. They aren't testing for xenoestrogens or phytoestrogens which mimic estrogen in your body, and have the same effect as estrogen in your body and can be dangerous. I just put a blog up all about this. Take a look at the symptoms and see if it sounds like you. Doctors are generally speaking ill-educated about hormones and imbalances. We all want to trust our Dr. but this is an area that they admittedly don't understand alot about. Look more into this, as adding estrogen COULD have a very negative effect. It may be what you need too. Just do some more looking. You are right to question this. GL
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    I would also ask him why. If it is to help your uterine lining, there are also other things that can help this that don't have the potential to feed cancer and your PCOS symptoms.
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    I am confused about estrogen as well. Would you mind if I read your blog post that you referred to? Thanks!

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    It's to thicken your lining. I had to take estrogen orally as well when I was on oral meds( clomid, femara, tamoxifen) because it would thin out my lining so much. The only way to combat that really ( and it's still not great) is to take estrogen from like cd11 until the end of the 2ww.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenixstar View Post
    I would also ask him why. If it is to help your uterine lining, there are also other things that can help this that don't have the potential to feed cancer and your PCOS symptoms.

    Actually taking estrogen is about the ONLY way to help a thin lining and even that doesn't work very well all of the time. There are NOT many options once you have killed your lining with meds. Unless you get off of the meds you are on and switch to an entirely different protocol like injects you can't do much to stop thin lining issues.
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    I have been taking estrogen (in patch form) since cd15 (2 days before trigger) and will continue until I test at 14dpo. This was because at my cd15 u/s my lining was only 6 mm. I started progesterone supplements 2 dpo as well and will also continue them until 14 dpo.
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    Yes, fertility meds can dramatically thin your uterine lining, estrogen can help with this. Estrogen will also stimulate cell division in the ovaries, breasts, and uterus. The same also hold true with both cancer cells and endometriosis, I had endo and estrogen feeds it. I don't know the short term consequences if you do or don't have endo or cancerous/precancerous cells. I think in some cases it is warranted to use, but you are right to question it. I would ask your Dr. why he thinks you need it. Recent studies show synthetic estrogen to increase the risk of heart disease, breast cancer, and uterine cancer. It is said that the natural plant based estrogens (phyto) like soy don't have the same risks. Yes estrogen can thicken the lining, but we're already at more risk for some of this...
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    A Dr.'s answer is almost alway a medication or surgery to solve a problem. For your health, I think you are wise to inquire as to why he decided this, and once you understand the risks and benefits, make an informed decision that YOU feel comfortable with. Good luck.
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    Here is a link to the blog that I posted on here about it. You should read through the symptoms and see if it sounds like you are estrogen dominant. Some cysters are actually low on estrogen, we are all so individual. About everyone can pick out one or 2 things in the list that applies to them, but I think it's valuable information to know, and if you're like me and estrogen dominant it could change your life... http://www.soulcysters.net/entry.php....and-your-life I still think (because I prefer the natural approach) you should ask your doctor if soy or another plant based phytoestrogen would be suitable. Just my humble opinion. Good luck.
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    Phoenix...I understand what you are saying, but I have to wonder if that is for people on higher doses and long term? I was also on estrogen during treatments. I would take 1 mg from CD 8 until O. With everything you just have to weigh the risks. The air we breathe, the food we eat, the other chemicals we are exposed to all probably greatly contribute to our chances of cancers.
    For me, if it meant having a baby I would do it. I have to assume as long as you aren't on it long term at high doses the risks you are talking about are drastically reduced.
    PCOS itself inheretenly raises our risk for cancers as it is. It also increases our chance of heart disease and strokes because they have linked high cholestrol and triglicerides (that is totally not spelled right, sorry!) to PCOS. So everything is a risk. Weigh your options and do what you think is best for your body.
    I admire those who are advocates for health. So please don't take me as attacking you or anything. I am just a huge believer that there is a reason we have been given the advances in medicine that we have, and for myself, I want to take full advantage of what is available to me. Good luck!
    ETA: I just realized he is having you take it AFTER O...I'm not sure about the reasoning for that. I always took it in between the fertility meds and O. As far as progesterone I am assuming it's a precaution. I have been on progesterone since O, and it's because my body doesn't seem to be able to produce it long enough until the placenta takes over. So that is my assumption that its a precaution in case you get pg.
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    Schmetterling, I totally agree to each his own, and what's good for some may be aweful for others. I agree that we now have options of many wonderful medical advancements, and if the time comes and IVF is warranted I will pump my body full of all kinds of things to have a baby. I also think that God has put alot of wonderful natural things on earth for us to use for treatment and healing. I know Drs. and medicines are necessary, but I hate that when there may be suitable natural treatments I'm not told about that. There answer has always been to thumb through the pharmacy book. Because I didn't question enough an extreme treatment-unrelated-both my hips had to be replaced at age 32 (because of a medication).
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    The med was unwarranted for my condition and a LOT of pain and surgery could have been avoided. I still see, a GP and several specialist, but now also have a homeopath, and the homeopathic treatments actually make me feel better, not worse as so many meds. I'm glad you voiced your opinion, we all have a right to one. For me, if I would have known that the estrogen dominance was causing so many issues a long time ago, I would have been thankful. I think she is smart to question "why" and are there risks. There is no way to avoid ALL estrogen mimics there are over 70,000, but I have cut out what I can and am more aware now. I also am starting a supplement called DIM plus to help metabolise the excess estrogen. As I said, I don't know the short term effects, and each woman has the right to decide what's right for her body.
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    I hate this word limit! I also know with endo, many times it goes without symptoms. There are many who have this and don't know it. Taking estrogen for "them" would feed the endo causing it to grow/spread further hindering fertility. I don't think estrogen is evil or bad, but for some cysters it is high estrogen that is causing low progesterone and other hormones to fall out of balance. For some treating with soy or estrogen can greatly help with fertility, for others it is not good. In my experiences with Drs. they tend to have cookie cutter treatments, and don't look far enough into the individual to customize treatment. I think everyone, not just cysters should learn about and question medications/treatments etc. and the message here is "Take charge of your health, ask questions, and learn about your condition(s), treatment options, risks etc." GL
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