All Jehovah's Witnesses!! October 08 EDITION

[omcv]

Checking in ladies, got out in mid-week service it was a beautiful day!

[ducky]

Funny thing about the CU - all the "community stuff". We used to have to do a certain # of community events per year to qualify for our bonuses.

It's getting cold here! We had snow last week. Just a bit, and it went away fast, but I dread the winters. I start counting down to March (really, snow doesn't melt here until at least April - but March sounds like it should be spring) but I start it earlier every year.

[HOLLAND]

Funny thing about the CU - all the "community stuff". We used to have to do a certain # of community events per year to qualify for our bonuses.

We have the same thing. We have to attend 2 Business After Hours every quarter. They always fall on a Tue or Thur evening. So I'm rushing to get to the meeting on time. What a bummer!!

I started Clomid yesterday. I'm already getting the headaches

I also just got home from the Endo.....everything looks good. She wants me to take Alli for 1 month to help jump start weight loss. We'll see how this goes....LOL I talked to her about lapband. I said that I would do it hear and right now if I was not TTCing at the moment. Also that I don't feel I want to take such a break from trying since we've been going at this for 4 1/2 years. She said for me it's best to wait on that for a while. I agreed. So I'm going to take Alli for 1 month and also begin a 1800 calorie eating plan. Let's hope this work!!

[Tusi2]

hello, this seems to be becoming a monthly check in for me Wasn't the KM on the new meeting arrangement interesting? Notice the last paragraph "it's just on the horizon", if something's on the horizon you can see it!!!!
Just thought y'all may find the following interesting, it's directed mainly for school kids but still is a good refresher for us

DID YOU KNOW?
HALLOWEEN IS THE MOST IMPORTANT DAY OF THE YEAR FOR SATAN WORSHIPPERS
*** The Facts Behind Halloween—Ancient Night of Terror ***
It is the last night of October. By the light of the moon, a small group of costumed figures move from house to house
stating their demands with dire threats. Guarding some doorsteps are grimacing pumpkin heads glowing with burning
candles—made from human fat. Other doors drip with human blood. It is the night of Samhain, Celtic lord of the dead.
Perhaps in no other holiday does Satan so obviously honor himself and honor his war dead. The writer J. Garnier suggests
that celebrations of suffering and death can be traced back to the ancient destruction of all of the Devil’s human followers,
as well as the giant bully sons of fallen angels, at the time of the Flood. Cultures the world over have festivals for the dead,
“held worldwide on or almost the exact day on which, according to the Bible, the Flood took place: the seventeenth day of
the second month—the month nearly corresponding with our November.”—The Worship of the Dead, by J. Garnier.
The Druids were no exception. On October 31, Samhain was said to release the spirits of the dead to mingle with the living.
Druids roamed the streets with lanterns, and on coming to a house, they demanded money as an offering for Satan.
Halloween is a major satanic ritual day. “It’s a religious holiday for Satan and the Demons, with satanists performing
sacrifices and witches quietly celebrating with prayer circles or meals for the dead,” according to a USA Today article. It
quoted Washington witch Bryan Jordan as saying, “[Christians] don’t realize it, but they’re celebrating our holiday with us.
. . . We like it.”
Anton LaVey, author of The Satanic Bible and high priest of the Church of Satan states, “Satanists consider Halloween the
most important day of the year. Satanic, occult and witchcraft powers are at their highest potency level…Satan and his
powers are at their best that night.”
Traditional Halloween activities continue Samhain's spirit of celebration in the face of frightening thoughts of death and the
supernatural. These include: scary movies, haunted houses, ghost stories and Ouija boards to contact the demons and the
spirit realm. Greeting cards, decorations, and candy are also a big part of Halloween. The holiday is second only to
Christmas in the amount of money stores make off of it.
MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION:
1) Read Matthew 22:37 and you decide: Would a worshiper of Jehovah have ANY part in a celebration that is
designed to honor Satan the Devil?
2) Read Ecclesiastes 9:5,10 and you decide: Would a holiday that honors “spirits of the dead” as if they were
not dead but ghosts be something that makes Jehovah happy or makes Jehovah mad?
1) Read Deuteronomy 18:10-13 and you decide: What are the reasons that you do not want anything to do
with Halloween?
DID YOU KNOW?
WHERE DO HALLOWEEN TRADITIONS COME FROM?
The Jack o’ lantern
When the Irish immigrants arrived in America, they brought with them the tradition of carving-out turnips or
potatoes and placing coals or a small candle inside of it. These were then displayed on doorsteps at Halloween to
ward off evil spirits. However, the Irish quickly discovered that it was much easier to carve out the pumpkin and
this was soon a basic tradition of the Halloween festivities.
The belief behind the Irish tradition of this carving is based upon the myth called “Stingy Jack”:
Stingy Jack was a miserable, old drunk who loved playing tricks on anyone and everyone. One dark, Halloween
night, Jack ran into the Devil in a bar where Jack tricked the Devil by offering his soul in exchange for one last
drink.
When Stingy Jack eventually died several years later, he went to the Gates of Heaven, but was not allowed in
because he had spent his whole life lying and drinking. So, Jack then went down to Hell, but the Devil would
not let him enter.
From that day forward, Stingy Jack has been doomed to roam the earth as a ghost with only a turnip that he had
stolen, hollowed out, and with a coal from the fires of Hell inside of it to light his way.
MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION:
1) Are Jack o’ lantern’s just “innocent fun”?
Trick or Treating
Trick or treating started as leaving food and wine for roaming dead spirits and ghosts. The custom was referred
to as "going a-souling" and was eventually practiced only by the children who would visit the houses in their
neighborhoods and be given gifts of ale, food and money. It was believed the spirits of the dead returned to visit
their old homes during Halloween and, in ancient times, people left food out for them and arranged chairs so
that they would be able to rest.
MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION:
1) Is trick or treating just “innocent fun” as some people claim?
2) Read Genesis 3:19 and Psalm 146:4 and tell me, what really happens to someone after they die? Why does
this make the idea of trick or treating even more disgusting to a worshiper of Jehovah?
Costumes:
On Halloween, when it was believed that spirits returned to the earthly world, people would wear masks when
they left their homes during the night hours. In this way, they hoped they would avoid being recognized by the
ghosts and be mistaken merely for fellow ghosts.
MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION:
1) Why do you think that Satan tries so hard to get people to dress up on Halloween?
Witches and Cats:
The use of witches and cats (together with ghosts) in the celebration of Halloween comes from the belief that on
Halloween night evil spirits come back to harm the living. It was a common Celtic belief that cats (particularly
black ones) had once been human beings who had been transformed into cats as punishment for their evil deeds
or through coming in contact with bad magic.
MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION:
1) Read Leviticus 19:26 and you decide: Why does Satan try so hard to get people to practice magic?
Halloween Parades:
In ancient times, pagan Celtic priestesses would roam the countryside, chanting songs in order to frighten away
the evil spirits thought to be out on Halloween night.
MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION:
1) What are the reasons that you do not want to participate or even watch a Halloween parade?
FOR MY TEACHER:
*** The Truth About Popular Celebrations ***
WITCHES and ghosts, pumpkins and bonfires, trick or treat. The outward trappings of Halloween are easy to
identify. But what lies behind this and similar celebrations? Halloween has also been called All Hallows’ Eve,
the eve of All Saints’ Day. This supposedly Christian name, however, hides origins that are far from hallowed.
In fact, scholars say that Halloween’s roots go back to a time long before Christianity—the era when the ancient
Celts inhabited Britain and Ireland. Using a lunar calendar, the Celts divided the year into two seasons—the
dark winter months and the light summer months. On the full moon nearest November 1, the Celts celebrated
the festival of Samhain, meaning “Summer’s End.”
This festival, which marked the beginning of the Celtic new year, came at the end of summer, when the harvest
had been gathered and the flocks and herds had been brought down from pasture into shelter. The Celts believed
that as the days shortened, it was necessary to reinvigorate the sun through various rites and sacrifices. In
symbolism of the dying old year, all fires were put out, and the new year was inaugurated with sacred bonfires
from which all members of the community rekindled their hearths. These bonfires—an echo of which can be
found today in Britain on Guy Fawkes Night and in Brazil in the June festivals—were also thought to frighten
away evil spirits.
It was believed that on the festival of Samhain, the veil between the human and the supernatural worlds was
parted and spirits, both good and evil, roamed the earth. The souls of the dead were thought to return to their
homes, and families would put out food and drink for their ghostly visitors in hopes of appeasing them and
warding off misfortune. Thus, today when children dressed as ghosts or witches go from house to house
demanding a Halloween treat or threatening a mischievous trick, they unwittingly perpetuate the ancient rituals
of Samhain. Jean Markale comments in his book Halloween, histoire et traditions (Halloween—History and
Traditions): “In receiving something in their hands, they establish, on a symbolic level that they do not
understand, a brotherly exchange between the visible and the invisible worlds. That is why the Halloween
masquerades . . . are in fact sacred ceremonies.”
Since people believed that the barriers between the physical and supernatural realms were down, they thought
that humans were able to cross over into the spirit world with ease. Samhain was therefore a particularly
auspicious time to unlock the secrets of the future. Apples or hazelnuts, both viewed as products of sacred trees,
were used to divine information concerning marriage, sickness, and death. For example, apples with identifying
marks were placed in a tub of water. By seizing an apple using only the mouth, a young man or woman was
supposed to be able to identify his or her future spouse. This divination practice survives today in the Halloween
game of bobbing for apples.
Samhain was also characterized by drunken revelry and a casting aside of inhibitions. “Traditional values, if not
flouted, were reversed,” states Markale. “What was forbidden was allowed, and what was allowed was
forbidden.” Halloween still reflects this spirit today, which no doubt accounts to a great extent for its increasing
popularity. Commenting on this, The Encyclopedia of Religion describes Halloween nowadays as “a time when
adults can also cross cultural boundaries and shed their identities by indulging in an uninhibited evening of
frivolity. Thus, the basic Celtic quality of the festival as an evening of annual escape from normal realities and
expectations has remained into the twentieth century.”
Religious Rivalry
Following the potato famine in the 19th century, Irish immigrants took Halloween and its customs to the United
States. From there it has returned to Europe in the past few years. The growing popularity of Halloween, though,
is not viewed favorably by all. As notes the newspaper Le Monde, “Halloween, which coincides with All Saints’
Day and All Souls’ Day (November 1 and 2) and could even replace them, is making shopkeepers happy and
panicking churchmen.”
Church representatives in France have expressed concern over the decline of these traditional Catholic holidays
in favor of Halloween, seeing it as a sign of the “paganization of society.” For Stanislas Lalanne, spokesman for
France’s Conference of Catholic Bishops, Halloween ‘distorts the meaning of life and death.’ The bishop of
Nice, Jean Bonfils, stated that “this festival and its rituals have nothing to do with our Mediterranean and
Christian culture,” and he warned Catholics against “the most important festival of Satanists the world over.”
Commenting on the French abandonment of Catholic traditions for such pagan festivals, Hippolyte Simon,
bishop of Clermont-Ferrand, notes: “It is as if French society were looking for a kind of civil religion capable of
replacing Christian symbolism.” He writes: “At Halloween the dead are imitated and their ‘ghosts’ come back to
frighten us and threaten us with death. On All Saints’ Day, in contrast, we affirm that the departed are alive and
that we are promised to rejoin them in the City of God.”—Vers une France païenne? (Toward a Pagan France?)
In a similar vein, Carlo Maria Martini, cardinal of Milan, Italy, urged Italians not to abandon Catholic holidays,
declaring that Halloween is “alien to our tradition, which has immense value and must be continued. All Souls’
Day is a celebration that belongs to our history. It is the moment in which hope for eternal life unfolds, a
moment in which the Lord makes us understand that there is more to life than that on earth.” Many sincere
Catholics no doubt feel the same way. Yet, is the distinction between Halloween and All Souls’ Day as clear-cut
as these comments would lead us to believe? What does a close examination of the roots of these Catholic
holidays reveal?
A Hallowed Masquerade
The Catholic Encyclopedia defines All Saints’ Day as a feast to “honour all the saints, known and unknown.” At
the end of the second century, so-called Christians began to honor those who had been martyred for their faith
and, believing that they were already with Christ in heaven, prayed to them to intercede on their behalf. A
regular commemoration began when on May 13, 609 or 610 C.E., Pope Boniface IV dedicated the Pantheon—
the Roman temple of all the gods—to Mary and all the martyrs. Markale comments: “The Roman gods left their
place to the saints of the triumphant religion.”
The change of date to November came under Pope Gregory III (731-741 C.E.), who dedicated a chapel in Rome
to all the saints and ordered that they be honored on November 1. Exactly why he did this is unknown. But it
may have been because such a holiday was already being celebrated on this date in England. The Encyclopedia
of Religion points out: “Samhain remained a popular festival among the Celtic people throughout the
christianization of Great Britain. The British church attempted to divert this interest in pagan customs by adding
a Christian celebration to the calendar on the same date as Samhain. . . . The medieval British commemoration
of All Saints’ Day may have prompted the universal celebration of this feast throughout the Christian church.”
Markale points out the increasing influence of Irish monks throughout Europe at this time. The New Catholic
Encyclopedia also observes: “The Irish often assigned the first of the month to important feasts, and since
November 1 was also the beginning of the Celtic winter, it would have been a likely date for a feast of all the
saints.” Finally, in 835 C.E., Pope Gregory IV made this festival universal.
As for All Souls’ Day, on which prayers are recited in order to help souls in purgatory attain heavenly bliss, this
holiday was fixed on November 2 during the 11th century by the monks of Cluny, France. While All Souls’ Day
is ostensibly a Catholic holiday, it is clear that confusion existed in the minds of ordinary folk. The New
Catholic Encyclopedia notes that “throughout the Middle Ages it was popular belief that the souls in purgatory
could appear on this day as will-o’-the-wisps, witches, toads, etc.”
Unable to uproot pagan beliefs from the hearts of its flock, the church simply hid them behind a “Christian”
mask. Highlighting this fact, The Encyclopedia of Religion says: “The Christian festival, the Feast of All Saints,
commemorates the known and unknown saints of the Christian religion just as Samhain had acknowledged and
paid tribute to the Celtic deities.”
Popular Celebrations and You
Just how concerned should you be about the dark past of Halloween and similar celebrations? After all, in most
people’s minds, Halloween is little more than a time to dress up and have fun. But would you not agree that it is
important for parents to make sure that whatever recreation their children pursue is wholesome and not harmful?
A school inspector from France with more than 20 years of experience in teaching was asked about the influence
of Halloween on young children. He commented: “I am worried that going from house to house threatening
adults in order to obtain sweets can have long-term negative consequences on children. It can foster a selfish and
egocentric personality. They learn that by exerting pressure, by demanding with threats, by making others
afraid, they can obtain what they want.” Parents must therefore ask themselves, ‘What “lessons” will my
children learn from celebrating this holiday?’
Not surprisingly, many families find that giving in to childish demands for treats and costumes can be an
expensive undertaking. “Halloween . . . is not a holiday,” observes Robert Rochefort, general director of
France’s Research Center for the Study and Observation of Living Conditions, “it is event marketing.”
Halloween fills a shopping lull prior to Christmas. In other words, it is just one more thing pressuring people to
spend money—money that in many cases they cannot afford to spend. Do you really need to follow the crowd in
this regard?
Of even greater concern to Christians, however, is the fact that Halloween and celebrations like it are steeped in
paganism. The apostle Paul wrote: “I do not want you to be participants with demons. You cannot drink the cup
of the Lord and the cup of demons.” (1 Corinthians 10:20-22, New International Version) He also asked: “What
common interest can there be between goodness and evil? How can light and darkness share life together? How
can there be harmony between Christ and the devil? What can a believer have in common with an unbeliever?”
(2 Corinthians 6:14-16, Phillips) The Bible thus condemns the whole idea of putting a Christian mask on a
pagan practice!
Also, the Bible warns against the practice of spiritism. (Deuteronomy 18:10-12) While it is true that the vast
majority of those who celebrate Halloween would claim to spurn Satanic practices, we should, nevertheless, be
aware that historically this holiday has close connections with the occult. Thus, it can serve as a door leading to
spiritism, especially for impressionable youths. Pagan rites and traditions tainted by spiritism simply have no
place in Christian worship; they are far from harmless.
Finally, there is the fact that Halloween, All Saints’ Day, and All Souls’ Day are all based on the beliefs that the
dead suffer or that they can somehow bring harm to the living. However, the Bible clearly shows that such
beliefs are not true, saying: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious
of nothing at all.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5) For that reason, the Bible counsels: “All that your hand finds to do, do with
your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol [the common grave of
mankind], the place to which you are going.” (Ecclesiastes 9:10) Since the dead are unconscious and thus
incapable of harming others or suffering themselves, we have nothing to fear from them. At the same time,
prayers to help them are of no use whatsoever. Does this mean that there is no hope for our dead loved ones?
No. The Bible assures us that “there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.”—
Acts 24:15.
With knowledge comes the freedom to choose. We cannot be expected to make intelligent decisions if we do not
have all the facts. After considering the facts brought up in this series of articles, what will you decide?
*** g93 11/22 pp. 8-10 “We Are Not Deprived!” ***
Comments have been made by schoolteachers and others that the children of Jehovah’s Witnesses are deprived by not being
allowed to join in the fun of school celebrations of Christmas, Easter, and Halloween. Following is a small sampling of
comments of children who are Jehovah’s Witnesses, expressing in letters why they themselves decline to have any part in
celebrating these holidays.
“ALTHOUGH I explained to my schoolmates why I didn’t celebrate these things, they still felt I was being deprived. But I
wasn’t! See, they always had to wait until their Christmas or some other holiday to get gifts, while I was given things and
went to parties all year round. I know I’m loved not only by my family but by the congregation and Jehovah as well, and
that is more special to me than any holiday.”—Becky, age 13.
“Halloween. The basic idea of Halloween doesn’t appeal at all to me. Ghosts and witches, YUCK!”—Katie, age 10.
“Every holiday is celebrating something false and is focused on false things. Most of the kids I know celebrate holidays for
the candy or presents. Something that I have that is better than holidays is the wonderful organization of Jehovah’s
Witnesses. Instead of lasting one day, like a holiday, Jehovah God’s Word has a happy message that lasts forever.”—
Brooke, age 14.
“Reasons I don’t miss holidays:
1. The Bible says they’re bad.
2. I don’t care about them.
3. My mommy and daddy give me presents.”—Brandi, age 6.
“There were times when I was small that I felt I was missing out, but I later laughed when I thought how eggs, Jesus, and
the Easter bunny all got together. When I was older and my parents explained to me how all the symbols originated, I found
it disgusting. It hurt me to think how Jehovah and Jesus must feel to be connected with such pagan ideas.”—Alexa, age 18.
“Instead of having Christmas or any other holiday, we have Big Toys Day. We get a gift of money to spend on anything we
like. One year I gave a speech to my class about my religion. Instead of following the world’s path, I set my own path to
make the meetings, go out in field service, and make prayer part of my life. I am getting baptized this coming assembly.”—
George, age 11.
“When I missed holidays at school I wasn’t regretful. The kids do a lot of weird things, like dress up on Halloween. I don’t
miss it at all. I tell them how my parents buy me things all through the year. They tell me about their church and how
boring it is, and I tell them about the meetings we have in the park, and they get jealous sometimes. But I’m not jealous of
them. Summing up, I say only make friends that respect your beliefs and never let a student or a teacher force you to do
anything against Jehovah’s will.”—Justin, age 12.
“Halloween. Children dressing up as devils, comic-book characters—what for? The kids roam the streets going from one
house to another getting bagfuls of candy. Or throwing eggs at houses, stringing toilet paper over trees, and the worst part
is most parents go along with it.”—Zachary, age 10.
“I don’t have to wait for a special day to get presents. My mom and dad get me plenty of toys all the time. Halloween is the
worship of dead spirits. It’s not right. The only God we should worship is Jehovah.”—Nicholas, age 6.


Just as a side note Cora Lyne we had a local needs talk not so long ago, speaking about the challenges our children face at school and the brother asked how we feel about our children being in sport teams or "houses" and walking into games following the house banner or flag. This was just rhetorical and he didn't give any particular article for it but I would consider a school team banner even more benign than a town flag??? Just FYI

[ducky]

Tusi - I had decided befor I went to the Gala that I would not participate in their "Walk Of Champions" and that the flag thing was not something I wanted to be a part of. And it's funny, you think about things and try to make a descision and once you do - you know if you've made the right descision or not. I told my supervior of my decision and that to keep a clear consience I would not be part of the group. She was OK with it, the evening went OK.

I went for my ultrasound yesterday. Everything went well, we were able to see the heartbeat. Only one

[juniorj]

Just a question (and please dont take offence) i used to study for a year , went to the meetings and things had bible studies at the age of 15 (not forced by my parents , they have studied but are not jehovah and are no longer studying.

Anywho

I see alot of you are having surgery/ have had surgury ...now if you needed a blood transfusion.. during this surgery the blood suppliments that are supposed to help didnt help and u needed REAL blood!..what would u do , espeically if you have a child.. just wondering,,

Jess x

[HOLLAND]

Hello Jess....I have a SIL with the name of Jessica.....LOVE IT

Having studied before you probably already know our stand on that

We would not except the blood for ourselves/child because of what the bible says about it.

What made you stop studying and attending meetings?

[juniorj]

I stopped for many reasons , i can tell u them but please dont take offence

My friend lost a child to cot death (sids) aged 6weeks a jehovah witness told her it was due to the sins of her ansisters (sp?)

i dont see why u wouldnt want to celebrate ur own birthday because its 'self rightous' but u will happily make a huge deal of your own annavesery , which is still self rightous because its about u and ur loved one.

My brothers half sister and brothers are jehovahs and are so far up there own butts they dont acknowledge him and he is 19 with dissablities no bad history no bad past very quiet and inoccent ..

you can be disfellowshiped for cheating on ur spouse ect but can easily be reinstated after a while..

just so many reason i think many people (not all) are a bunch of hypercrit(spl?) from the religion..

I have a witness who still comes to see me and my mum is the loveliest most honest woman you will ever meet so i still read the litrature some of it good some of it not so good , i get the watchtower and awake.

Jess x

[juniorj]

I see a couple of u have kids , if blood was to save ur childs life would u let them have it.. you have to think of these things because believe me i would love my child enough to let her have blood..

And also my friend is a heamotology nurse speciallising in cancer patients each day , she gives and adminsters blood but i believe she is more christian then most jehovah witnesses because she helds the hand of a dying person every day..

[Tusi2]

Hey Jess,

I'm sorry you've not had the best contact with JWs, we are as individuals as imperfect as everyone else but the organisation as a whole is what drew me in. When I met DH he was disfellowshipped and I can assure you it was not an easy road back when he finally chose to get reinstated.
As for surgery for me, no I would not have blood, I make sure my dr/surgeon/anaethetist etc... are fully aware of my decision and have contingency plans in place. I also know I would rather get to see my girls forever in paradise than (possibly) for a few more years here. As for if they needed surgery (I pray I can avoid this!!) the decision is made already but it would be hard work to stick to it (a lot of prayer!!!!!) once again though, would rather have them forever than for a few more years.
I admire your friend, it must take a lot of strength to do what she does.
Thanks for contacting us
Caroline

[omcv]

TRACT WORK tomorrow!!! We are so excited! Our new congregation has 10,000 homes.

[Tusi2]

Jess
I forgot to let you know that we do not believe Jehovah punishes us during this time (like He did with ancient Israel), your friend's loss of her baby was an unfortunate occurrance and nothing to do with anyone's sins, there is no one to blame esp. not your friend ... or Jehovah... (you may remember from your studies, the truth about angels and how they were not once humans but were created as angels - so baby wasn't taken to become one either)

Caroline

[HOLLAND]

Marcie - Thanks for posting the tract

I was wondering if any of you know how to tell if a dog is pregnant?

[juniorj]

If a dog is pregnant , she will have bigger more noticable nippes..be protective of her stomach ,eat more , sleep more.

Hope that helps!
Jess x

[HOLLAND]

Thanks Jess Well.....bigger nipples we have....LOL So I guess we need to start preparing.