Okay, forgive me for not knowing my bible history but I have a question.
What is the story of Soddam and Gamora?...Sorry if I spelled them wrong.
I've asked a few people I'm surrounded with, and no one knows exactly. A CNN story compared New Orleans to Soddam and Gamora.
Thanks in advance. I know I should know. I'm sure I do, but I'm a little rusty on a few things.
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Sodom and Gomorrah were two cities in the book of Genesis that provoked the wrath of God because of their inhabitants' sinful and wicked ways. They were destroyed by fire and brimstone that fell from the sky as a divine punishment.
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“After the death of his father, Lot went to live with his uncle, Abraham, who loved Lot like his own son. Lot became prosperous and, like Abraham, owned many animals and servants. When the Lord commanded Abraham to move to the land of Bethel, Lot went also. When they reached Bethel, however, they found it necessary to separate their households. Abraham told Lot to look over the land and choose where he wanted to live. Abraham would then settle in the remaining area.
Lot looked and beheld all the plain of Jordan; he saw that it was well watered, that it was a beautiful and fertile place, and he chose to live there. He pitched his tents near the city of Sodom. Abraham took his household in the other direction, toward the land of Canaan.
At first it seemed that Lot had made a good choice. However, the nearby cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were very, very wicked. Neighboring kingdoms went to war against Sodom and Gomorrah. When they captured the cities, Lot and his entire household were taken as prisoners. When Abraham heard what had happened, he armed 318 of his trained servants and rescued Lot.
Lot was a righteous man and tried to teach his children the gospel, but he lived in one of the most evil cities ever on the earth. The people of Sodom and Gomorrah had become so evil it was necessary that they be destroyed. Abraham was worried when the Lord told him this; he knew that Lot was a good man, and he thought that surely there were other righteous people in those cities.
Abraham asked the Lord, “Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? If there are ten righteous people in Sodom, wilt thou destroy it?”
The Lord answered, “I will not destroy it for ten’s sake.”
Sadly enough there were not even ten righteous people in the entire city, so it would have to be destroyed.
The Lord sent two angels to Sodom. Lot met them at the gate of the city and bowed in respect. He invited them to his home to eat and rest. While the two angels enjoyed Lot’s hospitality, wicked people gathered outside his house demanding to see the messengers. Lot went outside to persuade them to leave, but they became angry with Lot and tried to harm him. The angels pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. Then they smote the wicked people outside with blindness.
The angels instructed Lot to gather his family together and quickly leave the city. “For the Lord has sent us to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah,” they said.
Lot immediately went to his married children to warn them of the danger: “Up, get you out of this place; for the Lord will destroy this city.”
How heartbroken Lot must have been when his married children refused to listen to him. He knew that if they stayed in Sodom, they would die. Only Lot’s two unmarried daughters were obedient and agreed to leave.
In the morning, the angels told Lot, “Arise, take thy wife and thy two daughters, which are here, lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.”
Lot hesitated, perhaps thinking of his married children, who refused to listen to him. The angels knew there was no time to waste. They took Lot, his wife, and his two daughters by the hand and led them out of Sodom. The angels then said, “Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.”
When Lot and his family were far enough away from Sodom to be safe, the angels called upon God to destroy the city. The Lord rained fire and brimstone upon Sodom and Gomorrah, and all the people were killed. Animals, homes, and even plants were destroyed by the fire. Nothing was left of Sodom and Gomorrah.
The angels had told Lot and his family not to look back on the burning cities, but Lot’s wife could not resist the temptation. She looked back to see what was happening and immediately was turned into a pillar of salt.
When Abraham awoke that morning, he saw huge clouds of smoke rising from where Sodom and Gomorrah once stood. Heavenly Father assured him that Lot was safe. Even in the midst of the most evil cities on the earth, God found and saved those who loved and obeyed him."
"The early history of Gomorrah is found in Gen. 10: 19; Gen. 13: 10; Gen. 14: 2-11; Gen. 18: 20; its destruction is noted in Gen. 19. See also Deut. 29: 23; Isa. 13: 19; Jer. 50: 40; Amos 4: 11; Matt. 10: 15; Rom. 9: 29; 2 Pet. 2: 6; Jude 1: 7. The fate of the city was regarded as a warning against sensual wickedness. The five “cities of the plain,” of which Gomorrah was one, probably stood at the northern end of the Dead Sea."
Thank you both for the replies.
I knew I would know the story.
Wow, to compare New Orleans to it is wild.
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I'm pretty annoyed at the comparison, but I knew it was coming. BTW, I don't think God punishes us in this life.
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Thank you both for the replies.
I knew I would know the story.
Wow, to compare New Orleans to it is wild.
In the O.T. God usually sent prophets to warn the people, and allowed time, often decades or even generations for repentance. I don't see the comparrison to New Orleans.
On a little OT note, this is where our word "sodomy" comes from. The reason why G*d destroyed Sodom and Gemorrah (a little closer to the original Hebrew if you spell it that way) is because they were engaged in...well...sodomy. If you read the book of Braysheet (Genesis), this is where Lot's wife is turned into a pillar of salt because she looked back at the city's destruction. As for a comparison to New Orleans, the people of the city WERE warned that the hurricane was coming, Jashobeam. It's just not quite an accurate comparison because G*d Himself took a direct hand with Sodom and Gemorrah. New Orleans was just in the path of a natural event, it's a tragedy, yes, but not something done malevolently.
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On a little OT note, this is where our word "sodomy" comes from. The reason why G*d destroyed Sodom and Gemorrah (a little closer to the original Hebrew if you spell it that way) is because they were engaged in...well...sodomy. If you read the book of Braysheet (Genesis), this is where Lot's wife is turned into a pillar of salt because she looked back at the city's destruction. As for a comparison to New Orleans, the people of the city WERE warned that the hurricane was coming, Jashobeam. It's just not quite an accurate comparison because G*d Himself took a direct hand with Sodom and Gemorrah. New Orleans was just in the path of a natural event, it's a tragedy, yes, but not something done malevolently.
I agree it's just a tragedy, not judgement. When I said they were not warned, I meant by a prophet to repent. Being warned a natural event was going to occur isn't the same thing as a prophet from God saying "repent now or the hurricane will come." God doesn't leave things unclear. He made it clear by Noah about the great Flood, clear by Lot/Abraham about Sodom, clear by Jonah about Ninevah, etc.
G*d doesn't work that way, not as we understand Him. He gave people free will, and that is why He doesn't directly interfere in our lives. If people wish to live where they live, then they must accept the consequences of their actions. The Torah is there to teach us lessons, to give us a code to live by. Even in the most vile of human events in the 20th century, G*d didn't interfere. Why? Free will.
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This is the exact account of Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis 18:16-19:29 (New International Version):
Abraham Pleads for Sodom
16 When the men got up to leave, they looked down toward Sodom, and Abraham walked along with them to see them on their way. 17 Then the LORD said, "Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do? 18 Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him. 19 For I have chosen him, so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the LORD by doing what is right and just, so that the LORD will bring about for Abraham what he has promised him."
20 Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous 21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."
22 The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the LORD. [a] 23 Then Abraham approached him and said: "Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? 24 What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare [b] the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it? 25 Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge [c] of all the earth do right?"
26 The LORD said, "If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake."
27 Then Abraham spoke up again: "Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes, 28 what if the number of the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city because of five people?"
"If I find forty-five there," he said, "I will not destroy it."
29 Once again he spoke to him, "What if only forty are found there?"
He said, "For the sake of forty, I will not do it."
30 Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak. What if only thirty can be found there?"
He answered, "I will not do it if I find thirty there."
31 Abraham said, "Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, what if only twenty can be found there?"
He said, "For the sake of twenty, I will not destroy it."
32 Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?"
He answered, "For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it."
33 When the LORD had finished speaking with Abraham, he left, and Abraham returned home.
Genesis 19
Sodom and Gomorrah Destroyed
1 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 "My lords," he said, "please turn aside to your servant's house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning."
"No," they answered, "we will spend the night in the square."
3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof."
9 "Get out of our way," they replied. And they said, "This fellow came here as an alien, and now he wants to play the judge! We'll treat you worse than them." They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.
10 But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. 11 Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.
12 The two men said to Lot, "Do you have anyone else here—sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13 because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the LORD against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it."
14 So Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law, who were pledged to marry [d] his daughters. He said, "Hurry and get out of this place, because the LORD is about to destroy the city!" But his sons-in-law thought he was joking.
15 With the coming of dawn, the angels urged Lot, saying, "Hurry! Take your wife and your two daughters who are here, or you will be swept away when the city is punished."
16 When he hesitated, the men grasped his hand and the hands of his wife and of his two daughters and led them safely out of the city, for the LORD was merciful to them. 17 As soon as they had brought them out, one of them said, "Flee for your lives! Don't look back, and don't stop anywhere in the plain! Flee to the mountains or you will be swept away!"
18 But Lot said to them, "No, my lords, [e] please! 19 Your [f] servant has found favor in your [g] eyes, and you [h] have shown great kindness to me in sparing my life. But I can't flee to the mountains; this disaster will overtake me, and I'll die. 20 Look, here is a town near enough to run to, and it is small. Let me flee to it—it is very small, isn't it? Then my life will be spared."
21 He said to him, "Very well, I will grant this request too; I will not overthrow the town you speak of. 22 But flee there quickly, because I cannot do anything until you reach it." (That is why the town was called Zoar. [i] )
23 By the time Lot reached Zoar, the sun had risen over the land. 24 Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the LORD out of the heavens. 25 Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities—and also the vegetation in the land. 26 But Lot's wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt.
27 Early the next morning Abraham got up and returned to the place where he had stood before the LORD. 28 He looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah, toward all the land of the plain, and he saw dense smoke rising from the land, like smoke from a furnace.
29 So when God destroyed the cities of the plain, he remembered Abraham, and he brought Lot out of the catastrophe that overthrew the cities where Lot had lived.
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I think it's horrible that people are making such comparisons. I certainly don't think there is any more sin in New Orleans than anywhere else in the US. What Holier than Thou jerk would make such a comment, adding insult to injury? Guess what... bad things happen to good people. Bad things happen to bad people. Bad things just happen. They happen to Christians, Jews, Pagans, etc. Nobody is exempt. and though some seem to have worse luck than others. I can't imagine what these victims are going through. I had a house fire several years ago and lost a lot, but my house was fixed and after a few months we got a check and had a lot of shopping to do. At the time it seemed like the most horrible thing that could happen to us, but a disaster like Katrina really puts things into perspective.
I agree, LaurAnnHere, that's what I was trying to say in my post about free will. G*d makes us the masters of our own destinies. To compare a natural disaster to a story in the Chumash is...it's apples and oranges...
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I think it's horrible that people are making such comparisons. I certainly don't think there is any more sin in New Orleans than anywhere else in the US. What Holier than Thou jerk would make such a comment, adding insult to injury? Guess what... bad things happen to good people. Bad things happen to bad people. Bad things just happen. They happen to Christians, Jews, Pagans, etc.
Exactly!!! I think it's disgusting that people are making this comparison! It's so tragic that they are having to go through this at all...and then to be told that they DESERVED it and that God was punishing them through Katrina is a travesty! My heart goes out to them all and my continued prayers are with them!
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I believe it was just an unfortunate occurance.
Hurricanes are part of the winds and the changes of the earth.
God made a convenant with Noah that he will no long use water to destroy the earth or people.
Gen 9:
11": And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.
"12": And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
"13": I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
This is a direct action by God to kill the wicked...but New Orleans was just what happens when the forces of nature and people colide.
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Sodom and Gomorrah were two cities in the book of Genesis that provoked the wrath of God because of their inhabitants' sinful and wicked ways. They were destroyed by fire and brimstone that fell from the sky as a divine punishment.
Great summary!!!
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Story of Soddam and Gamora??? Anyone? 
My heart goes out to them all and my continued prayers are with them! 
