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Pearl1981 · 05-19-2008, 05:28 AM

Hey Nyer!!!

Nice to hear from you!

I am due in 3 weeks now!

Eating lamb and beef frequently has really helped! Thanks so much for your advice!!

Hows things? Are you well? Are you on supplements?
xxxx

NYER · 05-19-2008, 06:49 AM

Hi Pearl,

I'm doing ok. I've been doing a vegan cleanse/elimination/alkaline diet to address the joint pain (and inflammation) that my rheum. wasn't able to diagnose. I realized there was a huge dietary connection. I do it 6 days out of 7, and my 7th day is my cheat day. Except day after cheat day is when my blood sugar goes wonky. I did figure out last nite though that milk thistle helps, and it's probably very taxing on my liver (the detox). And the milk thistle is a necessity for me to take so I don't feel so crappy through it all & my blood sugar was back to normal today (after an off day). But with all this detoxing (and milk thistle), I think my ovulation is going to be off. I always get Fertile Day 1 on OV watch by cd9, and I'm past that. Hopefully it's a temporary thing, but it took me too long to get my cycles back to normal. I really need to accept there can be no cheat days, but it's so hard. On the good side, I haven't had any facial hair. I hope that's a good sign! Endoc. appt. is in 2 weeks, so I'll find out if it's all good.

I haven't had to take any acetyl-l-carntine the past 2 weeks, not even with the vegan diet. Kind of strange, huh? I guess I got enough with seeds & nuts & the aminos in maca.

Glad to hear you are doing so well!! I'll bet you're so relieved you're down to the finish line!!

skillet04 · 05-20-2008, 10:38 AM

Nyer: can you share where we can find info on this cleanse you're doing? or perhaps you already did and I overlooked it.

thanks

NYER · 05-20-2008, 12:45 PM

Skillet, It's just a gout/alkaline cleanse (low in purines). Brown rice, corn & raw almonds for protein, and lots of veggies & fruits high in nutrients & alkalinity. I did no milk/dairy for awhile & ended up adding it back in, but with exception of off days, no white flour or sugar. It was more for my joint problems, but in the process I found lots of evidence that low potassium & acidity can be related to insulin resistance. So that misnomer about too much fructose from fruits is bad is a fallacy. You can also get your potassium (and magnesium is important too) from leafy greens, and celery & carrots are even high in potassium. I also found that it takes *alot* of fruits & veggies to get in my RDA of potassium. There's a great tool at www.nutritiondata.com.
You register (free), and add common foods you eat to your "pantry". Then enter in the serving amts. for the day & click calculate. It will give you all the nutrient info on all the foods as a total, including glycemic index, aminos, protein, EFA's, vit/min, weight loss rating, etc. It was a real eye opener.

Paola · 05-21-2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NYER

Except day after cheat day is when my blood sugar goes wonky. I did figure out last nite though that milk thistle helps, and it's probably very taxing on my liver (the detox). And the milk thistle is a necessity for me to take so I don't feel so crappy through it all & my blood sugar was back to normal today (after an off day). But with all this detoxing (and milk thistle), I think my ovulation is going to be off. I always get Fertile Day 1 on OV watch by cd9, and I'm past that. Hopefully it's a temporary thing, but it took me too long to get my cycles back to normal. I really need to accept there can be no cheat days, but it's so hard. On the good side, I haven't had any facial hair. I hope that's a good sign! Endoc. appt. is in 2 weeks, so I'll find out if it's all good.

Hi, I wanted to ask a question, you said the day after a cheat meal your blood sugar goes nuts, what type of symptoms do you get ??

The strange thing is that I've just started progesterone and I had a cheat meal but the next day I was fine, I felt pretty good.

But now I'm in the follicular phase and I had a small cheat meal and the next day I was hungry and thirsty, I don't get it.

hollyree · 05-21-2008, 02:17 PM

Hey everyone!
I have been reading & following this thread for quite awhile now. I am really interested in trying the hyponidd. Currently I am taking Insulite PCOS blend. I have only been on it a little less than a month. Its kind of expensive (over $100 a month)I definitely think its worth trying but right now I need to find something a little less expensive. I was thinking of trying the hyponidd and also cinnamon and saw palmetto. What do you guys think? I am currently not TTC just yet. I really want to lose weight before trying. I need help getting my weight under control, and also help with acne, excess hair, oily skin/hair, regulating my now non existent period, etc. Do you think switching over to these other supplements will be as or more effective than the insulite? (www dot insulitelabs dot com is the website if you want to check it out (sorry to post website this way, it said I didn't have enough posts to post a url) Does the hyponidd help with sugar cravings? I have a really hard time with this. Before I got on the insulite I was really tired ALL the time and I think even somewhat depressed. The insulite has really helped with that but do you think the Hyponidd with have similar results? I know everyone is different I just wanted your opinion before I tried it. I just really want to get my symptoms under control so I can be somewhat normal! And I'm tired of being overweight! Any advice you guys have will be greatly appreciated!

Pearl1981 · 05-21-2008, 02:21 PM

Hey Holly

The hyponidd & cinnamon really helped with food and sugar cravings! Also adding milk thistle helped more and vitamin C was very good too!

Good on you for trying to get as healthy as possible with TTC. I think youll be surprised at what your body can achieve when youve dropped that weight!

Also keep off sugars as these make you want to eat more sugar. Low GI diet keeps cravings at bay

GL!

Paola estrogen makes blood sugar issues a lot worse which is why you feel bad in the follicular phase. Itll get better as your cycles balance with progesterone in the luteal phase.

All the best

HUGS!

NYER · 05-21-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Paola

Hi, I wanted to ask a question, you said the day after a cheat meal your blood sugar goes nuts, what type of symptoms do you get ??

The strange thing is that I've just started progesterone and I had a cheat meal but the next day I was fine, I felt pretty good.

But now I'm in the follicular phase and I had a small cheat meal and the next day I was hungry and thirsty, I don't get it.

It could be related to hormones (estrogen?). Maybe when you're on progesterone, it improves your insulin resistance. You might see more improvement if you just started progesterone. You might want to try milk thistle, since not only does it help the liver function better (and glucose), but helps the liver get rid of excess estrogen. I also find that if I eat a high potassium food in the morning if my glucose is high'ish' it will lower it within an hour, and before going to bed it improves my fasting glucose. But
I think when I go to from a strict diet to falling off, it's a shock to the system. It may be the same way for you too. If I'm off the diet for a few days, my body seems to adjust. When you go off, try to fit in as many veg(especially) & fruit as you can, no matter how bad you've been.

Oh, and the milk thistle didn't affect my cycle. The OV watch was off. Got my LH surge today. I was taking 5 caps a day (2 morn/1 afternoon/2 evening).

HTH!

hollyree · 05-21-2008, 03:36 PM

Pearl
thanks for the advice, and info. I am about to start the GI diet and I do think I have made up my mind to try the Hyponidd. Do you think I should just try hyponidd and cinnamon and no saw palmetto? Maybe I'll wait and see what the two do together before throwing the Saw palmetto in there. Thanks again!

IzzyLu · 05-22-2008, 11:45 AM

Yesterday was my first day on Hyponidd. I'm so totally excited! I just joined this forum, so let me introduce myself:

I've known since I was 17 or 18 that something was wrong. I was diagnosed PCOS officially at 22 after many doctors dismissed and ignored my questions about missing periods and hirsuteness.

Unfortunately that was AFTER I'd been on BCP for 2 years for the missing periods. The BCP shot my cholesterol levels through the roof. At 21 I had a total cholesterol count of 210, with very high triglyceride levels. So I stopped taking BCP, tested testosterone levels around 90, got a PCOS diagnosis and specialist Dr, and started taking Metformin.

Being on Metformin XL was a nightmare I could not have imagined. I was SO sick. If not for the insistence of my Dr. and mother, I would not have been on them so long. By the time I worked my way up to 3 pills a day, I had stabbing pains in my intestines day and night. I couldn't sleep for the pain or hardly eat. Many times I woke up to throw up... before I gave up.

Only at this point does my Dr inform me of the non-XL formulation of Metformin. :-/ I took it. It helped a little. I was so frustrated at that point.

My boyfriend at the time found holistic and alternative medicine for me and encouraged me to find a better way. Since then, I met another friend who introduced me to NAET (Nambudripod's Allergy Elimination Technique), EFT, self-help acupressure, 5 elements acupuncture, and organic eating. In the last 3 years, I have gone from a very asthmatic, sick, and depressed PCOS person, to an awake, functioning, happy person with monthly visits from AF.

But still the question of ovulating AFs and high testosterone levels (that fluctuate with my eating habits :-/) have plagued me. The acupuncture is helping loads (especially with the new Eastern diagnosis of Kidney Yang deficiency!!!) but I have a feeling about Hyponidd. I expect to be an ovulating, emotional girly girl inside 6 months.

Wish me luck, ladies!

Paola · 05-22-2008, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NYER

It could be related to hormones (estrogen?). Maybe when you're on progesterone, it improves your insulin resistance. You might see more improvement if you just started progesterone. You might want to try milk thistle, since not only does it help the liver function better (and glucose), but helps the liver get rid of excess estrogen. I also find that if I eat a high potassium food in the morning if my glucose is high'ish' it will lower it within an hour, and before going to bed it improves my fasting glucose. But I think when I go to from a strict diet to falling off, it's a shock to the system. It may be the same way for you too. If I'm off the diet for a few days, my body seems to adjust. When you go off, try to fit in as many veg(especially) & fruit as you can, no matter how bad you've been.Oh, and the milk thistle didn't affect my cycle. The OV watch was off. Got my LH surge today. I was taking 5 caps a day (2 morn/1 afternoon/2 evening).HTH!

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Originally Posted by Pearl1981

Paola estrogen makes blood sugar issues a lot worse which is why you feel bad in the follicular phase. Itll get better as your cycles balance with progesterone in the luteal phase.

Since I just started I should give it at least a few more months, but what I don't understand is how does it work to fix the follicular phase if I'm only taking it in the luteal ?

Anyway, thanks for the responses, I really appreciate it !!

NYER · 05-22-2008, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paola

Since I just started I should give it at least a few more months, but what I don't understand is how does it work to fix the follicular phase if I'm only taking it in the luteal ?

Anyway, thanks for the responses, I really appreciate it !!

I used to have a really good article with a diagram on how the hormone system worked, but I lost it when I wiped out my hard drive.

This sort of explains it:

Progesterone

The other hormone that has master hormone functions is Progesterone. In the past, hormone control has emphasized oestrogen as the important hormone in HRT management, but in reality it is progesterone that is the master hormone. Progesterone is produced in the ovary after ovulation so that if you do not ovulate then you do not produce enough of it. It not only has its uses in influencing energy levels, mood levels, sexual function, stabilizing blood sugar, breaking down fat and protecting against endometrial and breast cancer, BUT it can also change into estrogen, testosterone, Cortisol and aldosterone as required

http://www.theantiagingclinic.co.za/...d=32&Itemid=34

Lots of drs will give clomid or injectibles to force or improve follicle growth. But it's a temporary fix (especially since it's synthetic). It doesn't improve your cycles later on. It actually worsens it. When you address the luteal phase progesterone with something natural, you also improve ovulation. You can also tackle the follicular phase with something natural, but in my experience it doesn't always work, and certainly doesn't work as fast as natural progesterone.

However, if you ask most RE's or ob/gyn's they will vehemently disagree with this. I completely agree with it, because that was my experience.

NYER · 05-22-2008, 04:38 PM

I'm really hating this white background!! Really tough on my eyes!

Paola · 05-22-2008, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NYER

Progesterone
The other hormone that has master hormone functions is Progesterone. In the past, hormone control has emphasized oestrogen as the important hormone in HRT management, but in reality it is progesterone that is the master hormone. Progesterone is produced in the ovary after ovulation so that if you do not ovulate then you do not produce enough of it. It not only has its uses in influencing energy levels, mood levels, sexual function, stabilizing blood sugar, breaking down fat and protecting against endometrial and breast cancer, BUT it can also change into estrogen, testosterone, Cortisol and aldosterone as required http://www.theantiagingclinic.co.za/...d=32&Itemid=34Lots of drs will give clomid or injectibles to force or improve follicle growth. But it's a temporary fix (especially since it's synthetic). It doesn't improve your cycles later on. It actually worsens it. When you address the luteal phase progesterone with something natural, you also improve ovulation. You can also tackle the follicular phase with something natural, but in my experience it doesn't always work, and certainly doesn't work as fast as natural progesterone. However, if you ask most RE's or ob/gyn's they will vehemently disagree with this. I completely agree with it, because that was my experience.

Great, thanks for the info !
I'm starting to calm down a little, I was freaking out not knowing what I should be doing in the follicular phase, I booked an appt. with my doc anyway. I'm not trying to conceive by the way, just trying to balance the hormones.
Oh and ditto on the comment about the white background......now along with my blood sugar, my eyes are going wonky too !

Pearl1981 · 05-23-2008, 06:03 AM

Izzy Lu your story sounds a lot like mine when I was your age! I wish you all the luck in the world! As someone advised me on this board once, "PCOS should always be treated" as it is a syndrome and sometimes healthy eating and exercise is not enough, even though it is a pillar in the management of the disease.

My dad ran out of hyponidd since last week and now the dreaded old dad has come back. Mood swings, sugar lows and highs attacks and sleeping all the time. As soon as he comes home from work he sleeps and after dinner you just cant hardly wake him! He called me from work today and asked me to order him some more hyponidd (not very good with the internet) . I ordered him 5 months worth which came to £10 a month. That is quite cheap here. Ill ask him to measure his sugar too this sunday to see if it has gone up without the stuff.

Im just interested to know all the girls that got their BFPs on hyponidd, the sex of the babies. Because according to shettles method I should have had a boy. We had intercourse the evening of wednesday and I ovulated Thursday morning. There was a 95% chance of being a boy. Hmmm. Unless older sperm survived from days ago. But Im also wondering whether the herbs had any influence on this. Diet rich in calcium and magnesium are supposed to attract female sperm and repel male sperm. I was always religious about taking my calcium and magnesium as it worked wonders for my pms swelling and period pains. I wonder if hyponidd has this same effect. NYER your very knowledgable about these things...what do you think?

Well everyone ill stop garbling on now hehe

Hope everyones well

Love 2 all

xxx