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Old 06-09-2008, 09:47 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Dana - I have to apologized, I have mentioned sooo many products, that I have everyones' heads spinning. NOW brand Vitex is the brand that includes Dong Quai... just want to make sure you seen that. NSI is the brand that Brandi is currently using... Sorry again... I have went in circles tooo much... hugs.
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Old 06-09-2008, 11:47 PM   #77 (permalink)
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oh it wasnt Now is was NSI thats the one Brandi suggested.. i cant wait to start that one..i think i may order tongiht!
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Hello Ladies....

Well I have a question... I started vitex; taking 800mg twice a day as stated on my bottle. I got AF 11 days later. The AF lasted 7 days and was heaving during the middle days. I am actively TTC. Now my question is, how long do I take vitex? Should I stop after O? Continue until I get a BFP? I am confused HELP!

Just wanted to add that prior to the last AF, I have not had a period since last July! I am really pleased with the results. I am also taking Met, but until I stared taking vitex I had no periods with met apart for 3 I had last year.

I am also taking BBT and FF shows I ovulated 2 days ago... I am really hoping for a BFP and want to do the best to get it. Please help with your advice. Thanks.
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moonlight - take the Vitex until you get your BFP.

Dana - i agree, i am thinking about trying it too. at least we know it works for her. i still have an unopened bottle, and 1/2 a bottle left of Natures Way. So, it will be another month before i get to order it.

still thinking on the Don Quai...
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Welcome Moonlight! and Congrats on AF!
You can take Vitex your entire cycle...now if you find out you are PG you should probably stop. In most situations ive heard people stopping and if you google it ..it will say stop..but you could also tell your DR you are taking it and see what he or she advices when that time comes. Hope this helps! Good luck getting your BFP! keep us posted

Faith- I know i want to finish my bottle too but I think im still gonna order so that way if not BFP this cycle i will feel good about my new plan

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Dana - I understand that....
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now my bb's hurt.... hmmmm is AF going to visit me soon.... ????
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Where's all my Cinnamon and Vitex partners? Are all you girls in 2WW or AF wait right now?

I think my AF is coming, bb's still sore, lower back strain... don't hurt just feeling something. I talked to my mom today, she said when I was living at home I was always on her cycle... which she is getting ready for her AF... that got my hopes up.
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i'm here, but lurking! i've upped my vitex and am now taking the full dose listed on the bottle. i spotted for about a week (makes me wonder if that was AF) and now nothing. at least i know the vitex/cinnamon is doing something!!
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Ok so I've been reading all these forum about alternative remedies, and I wanted to try some of these herbs. I went to GNC today and I got Vitex, Saw Palmetto, Milk Thistle, Cinnamon and a Multi Vitamin now my question is that, would it be okay to start all these Herbs at one time or should I start slowing and work my way to all of them and if I should start slowly which ones should I start with? My first goal is to lose alot of weight then go from there? Any help and guidance would be greatly appreciated!!!
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Well I am waiting for AF. I got a weird pregnancy test. All were neg except 1 which only had one "line" and then had a big blob of ink where the test line would have been ... who knows. I'm giving it one more week to get a BFP or AF then I'm gonna start NPC to bring on the witch
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Praying For a Soy Joy!! TTC number 2 . Trying with vitex, soy and cinnamon.
Throw in a little black and blue cohosh, epo, licorice and dong quai all for good measure.

Has anyone seen AF? She is MIA, if you find her please send her my way.
Trying to move on to cycle number 2 of TTC #2
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Hi Faith Im here! LOL and I may be back to Dong Quai again..stay tuned I will share with everyone why...very interesting stuff!

Brandi- At least it is doing something! Hopefully next time AF will kick your butt! hehee I hate that i miss that weird huh

WELCOME AMY!!!
I think its ok to start them all at once..but the only down fall to that is if by some chance you have some side effects you may not be able to pin point which one is making you ill ...so in my opinion maybe start them a week apart? When i started taking herbs i started with Vitex and Dong Quai..you are taking a few more. Hope this helps!

Can anyone else offer any suggestions?

Linds!! praying you see another line hon!!

AFM- nothing going on..just hopefully waiting to O or at least for a Fertile Day on my OVWatch. hmm as i say this im having some pain on the left hmm.. here i go again lol
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Dana - now you have me anxious to know why....you have decided to go back to Don Quai.

Brandi - that's wonderful, your body is doing something.

Amy - hello, those are good vitamins, and herbs.... i would agree with Dana, because it is good to know which vitamins/herbs work for you, and which don't. I hope they all work.

Lindsay - Babydust to you.


Well, I decided to follow the directions on the Vitex bottle. Today I have sore bb's, lower back pain, and heartburn.... yeppie.... looks like AF is on her way. I may try Don Quai too, once Dana shares why...
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OK well here is why...
for the past 2-3 months I stopped taking Don Quai because I thought about using EPO and I read somewhere that the 2 dont mix. Didnt start EPO anyway and then just never started Don Quai back up anyway..i dont even know why..

So for the about the same time..my AFs have been very light almost non exsistent or just alot of spotting. A cycster on another thread suggested some things out of the book she has ... here is the test.

Kidney Yin Deficiency
Do you have lower back weakness, soreness, or pain, or knee problems?
Do you have ringing in your ears?
Is your hair prematurely gray?
Do you have Vaginal Dryness?
Is your mid cycle CM scanty or missing?
Do you have dark circles around or under your eyes?
Do you have night night sweats?
Are you prone to hot flashes?
Would you describe yourself as afraid a lot?
Does your tongue lack coating? Does it appear shiny or peeled?

Kidney Yang Deficiency
Do you have lower back pain premenstrually?
Is your low back sore or weak?
Are your feet cold, especially at night? Are you typically colder than those around you?
Is your libido low?
Are you often fearful?
Do you wake up at night to urinate?
Do you urinate frequently, and is it diluted and /or profuse? Do you have early morning loose urgent stools?
Do you have profuse vaginal discharge?
Does your menstrual blood tend to be dull in color?
Do you feel cold cramps during your period that respond to a heating pad?
Is your tongue pale, moist, and swollen?

Spleen Qi Deficiency

Are you often fatigued?
Do you have a poor appetite?
Is your energy lower after a meal?
Do you feel bloated after eating?
Do you crave sweets?
Do you have loose stools, abdominal pain, or digestive problems?
Are your hand and feet cold?
Is your nose cold?
Are you prone to feeling heavy or sluggish?
Are you prone to feeling heaviness or grogginess in the head?
Do you bruise easily?
Do you think you have poor circulation?
Do you have varicose veins?
Are you lacking strength in your arms and legs?
Are you lacking in exercise?
Are you prone to worry?
Have your been diagnosed with low blood pressure?
Do you sweat a lot with exerting yourself?
Do you feel dizzy or light headed?
Is your AF thin, watery, profuse, or pink in color?
Are you more tired around O or AF?
Do you ever spot a few days or more before your period?
Have you ever been diagnosed with uterine prolapse?
Are your menstrual cramps accompanied by bearing down sensation in your uterus?
Are you often sick, or do you have allergies?
Have you been diagnosed with hypothyroid or anemia?
Do you have hemorrhoids or polyps?
Does your tongue look swollen, with teeth marks on the side?
Do you have a pale yellowish complexion?

Blood Deficiency
Do you have dry flaky skin?
Are your menses scanty and/or late?
Are your prone to chapped lips?
Are your fingernails and toenails brittle?
Are you losing hair on your head?
Is your hair brittle and dry?
Do you have diminished nighttime vision?
Do you get dizzy or light headed around your period?
Are your lips, the inner side of your eyelids, or tongue pale in color?

Blood stasis
Is your menstrual flow ever brown or black on color?
Do you feel mid cycle pain around your ovaries?
Do you have painful unmovable breast lumps?
Do you experience periodic numbness of your hand and feet (especially at night)
Do you have varicose veins?
Do you have red hemangiomas (cherry –red spots) on your skin?
Does your complexion appear dark and sooty?
Do you have chronic hemorrhoids?
Does your AF contain clots?
Have you been diagnosed with endometriosis or uterine fibroids?
Is your lower abdomen tender to touch?
Can you feel any lumps in your lower abdomen?
Do you have piercing or stabbing menstrual cramps?
Does your tongue look dark?
Do you have dark spots on your tongue?
Are you veins beneath your tongue twisty and tortuous?
Do you have dark sport on your eyes?
Have you ever been diagnosed with any vascular abnormality or blood clotting disorder

Liver Qi Stagnation

Are you prone to emotional depression?
Are you prone to anger or rage?
Do you become irritable premenstrually?
Do you feel bloated or irritable around ovulation?
Do you experience nipple pain or discharge from your nipples?
Do you have a lot of premenstrual breast pain?
Have you been diagnosed with elevated prolactin levels?
Do you become bloated premenstrually?
Are your pupils usually dilated and large?
Do you have difficulty falling asleep at night?
Do you experience heartburn or wake up with a bitter taste in your mouth?
Are your menses painful?
Do you feel your menstrual cramps in the external genital area?
Is the menstrual blood thick and dark, or purplish in color?
Is your tongue purplish in color?


Heart Deficiency
Do you wake up early in the morning and have trouble getting back to sleep?
Do you have heart palpitations, especially when anxious?
Do you have nightmares?
Do you seem low in spirit or lacking vitally?
Are you prone to agitation or extreme restlessness?
Do you fidget?
Is the tip of your tongue red?
Is there a crack in the center of your tongue that extends to the tip?
Do you sweat excessively, especially on your chest?

Excess Heat
Is your pulse rate rapid?
Are your mouth and throat usually dry?
Are you thirsty for cold drinks most of the time?
Do you often feel warmer than those around you?
Do you wake up sweating or have hot flashes?
Do you break out with red acne(especially premenstrually)
Do you have a short menstrual cycle?
Do you have vaginal irritation or rashes?

Dampness
Do you feel tired and sluggish after a meal?
Do you have fibrocystic breast?
Do you have cystic or pustular acne?
Do you have urgent, bright, or foul-smelling stools?
Does your menstrual blood contain stringy tissue or mucus?
Are you prone to yeast infections and vaginal itching?
Do your joints ache, especially with movement?
Are you overweight?
Do you have a wet, slimy tongue?

Damp Heat
Do you have signs of heat and/or dampness as indicated above?
Do you have foul-smelling, yellow, or greenish discharge?
Are you prone to vaginal and/or rectal itching during your luteal premenstrual phase?

Cold Uterus
Do you fit the kidney Yang deficiency category?
Do you fall into the blood stasis pattern?
Does your lower abdomen feel cooler to the touch than the rest of your trunk?

Kidney Yin Deficiency
Asparagus root, Mai Men Dong, Nu Zhen Zi, He Shou Wu or Sang Ji Sheng.

Kidney Yang Deficiency
False Unicorn root, Red Raspberry leaf, Shan Zhu Yu
Kidney Yang Tonic – Chaste tree berry (Vitex)

Spleen Qi Deficiency
Ginseng root, American Ginseng, Siberian Ginseng, Dang Shen, Guang Qi,

Blood Deficiency
Dong Quai, Shu Di Huang, Nettles

Blood stasis
Chinese motherwort, Dong quai

Liver Qi Stagnation
Black Cohosh, Chen Pi, Milk-thistle seed

Heart Deficiency
Jujube seed, Oystershell, Valerian root

Excess Heat
Chinese wolfberry, Red peony
Dampness
Skullcap root, Coptis, Amur cork bark

Damp Heat (damp drainers)
Kelp, seaweed, Zao Jiao Ci

Cold Uterus
Vitex, Femoral massage, hot water bottle before O, resolve blood stasis issues


Now the categories i fall in require dong quai!!
So hopefully this might help some if not many of us when choosing some herbs!

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